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SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station

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Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

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  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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Update: This popular deal is available again with a new promo code.

Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Deal Editor iconian for sharing this deal.

About this Item:
  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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Model: SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (USB 3.2 Type C and Type A) (DS-UCTB)

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RelaxedRose979
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The issue is 10 drives sharing the 10Gbps USB 3.1 gen 2 interface. Hardware RAID is no longer recommended as software can keep up and gives the flexibility in not being paired with a specific controller or losing all of your data.

The Mini PCs we normally see listed max out with 2.5Gbps networking. So this would be able to keep up and saturate the pipe. If you needed more bandwidth, having separate direct SATA connections would be needed, likely with some type of external SAS connection.

10 drives is very large, unless you are going for extremely cheap small drives to fill the array. IMO it's better to use larger drives as each drive consumes power to run. UGreen has a Kickstarter going right now that has some really crazy deals for NASes that are supposed to ship in June. You might be more bang for your buck there.

Also, anyone thinking of using this many drives, Go with at least one parity disk, or even better two. The chance of data loss increases as you move to more and more drives. Not caring about movies on a single 10TB drive... fine. Not caring about 180TB, that's going to be a much larger pain to replace everything.
wherestheanykey
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Be sure to throw it on a UPS.

I was checking what level of support it has from Sabrent (zero, they have really gone downhill with firmware updates) and there's a thread about how it doesn't have automatic power recovery to bring the drives back up after power loss.
iconian
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they are sausages, not hot dogs, get it right!


actually, i am not even sure of the reference? but sabrent is very well known in ssd and pc component business for the last 5-10 years

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Apr 04, 2024 10:44 PM
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Yankee495Apr 04, 2024 10:44 PM
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Quote from RelaxedRose979 :
This was a thing backed when I was messing around with TV recording on Windows MCE. Tivo also perfected it way back when and had to disable it to not be sued.

Give comskip a try, it auto identifies the commercials. You can then use other programs to cut out just the commercials before you do your re-encode. But it might be best to review what it's doing, it's always possible something isn't detected right and starts deleting things it shouldn't.

https://github.com/erikkaashoek/Comskip
Thank for the info. Comskip runs on Tumbleweed. So far, 10 minutes, that's about all of what I've figured out.
Apr 04, 2024 10:49 PM
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Yankee495Apr 04, 2024 10:49 PM
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Quote from CyanCorn8418 :
Thanks for giving me a use case for this - this I can understand since you really just wind up needing more and more and more when capturing stuff like that.... I didn't even really know that those dishes are still usable anymore!

there was a docker container I used to use to strip out commercials called "auto-comskip" but I can see the image for that was decommissioned -- it was a big game of cat and mouse but it did seem to work maybe 80% of the time... at least it didn't remove primary content from my usage.
Thanks for the info! I forgot to mention that they make TV tuners like the old converter boxes but they record to a USB drive. I'm sure you know but others might not and may be interested in recording over the air TV.
Apr 05, 2024 12:50 AM
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BlueGiraffe766Apr 05, 2024 12:50 AM
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I'm not gonna buy this, but out of curiosity: I can get a trayless hot swap module that is made to go into a 5.25 bay for $15. What can this do that you couldn't do with 10 of those bays and like $50 of associated cabling and controllers, coming out to half the cost?
Apr 05, 2024 01:16 AM
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ScarletGuide4165Apr 05, 2024 01:16 AM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
Most of what I'm reading here is referring to the horrible write speeds when using parity spaces. Which I agree with. It is farking terrible for that.

The ones that complain about reliability all seem to be 10 years old or older. We're on windows 11 now. I think they've fixed some of the problems at this point.

Maybe I'll try StoreMI instead. Thanks for the links.
There's actually a solution to this:
https://wasteofserver.com/storage...es-solved/

And if you need SSD caching on top of that, I've been using StableBit DrivePool to absorb writes to an NVMe SSD before offloading it onto spinning disks, whether they're individual or an underyling Storage Spaces array
Apr 05, 2024 03:49 AM
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Nintendo1474Apr 05, 2024 03:49 AM
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Quote from ScarletGuide4165 :
There's actually a solution to this:
https://wasteofserver.com/storage...es-solved/

And if you need SSD caching on top of that, I've been using StableBit DrivePool to absorb writes to an NVMe SSD before offloading it onto spinning disks, whether they're individual or an underyling Storage Spaces array
You know, I actually found that and skimmed it before I made my pool. Guess I didn't fully understand it. Unfortunately, I already put 2.6 terabytes onto it
Apr 05, 2024 09:49 AM
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namlookApr 05, 2024 09:49 AM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
You know, I actually found that and skimmed it before I made my pool. Guess I didn't fully understand it. Unfortunately, I already put 2.6 terabytes onto it
A 2.6 terabyte pool?
Last edited by namlook April 5, 2024 at 02:27 PM.
Apr 05, 2024 04:26 PM
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f1ydaveApr 05, 2024 04:26 PM
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Here is a real enterprise option...$400 - 24 bays with ethernet not c type, lol

$600 for the 48 bay option...

NetApp DS4246 Disk Array Shelf W/ 24x SAS SATA Trays 2x IOM6 Expansion JBOD

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202404952486
Last edited by f1ydave April 5, 2024 at 09:30 AM.

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Apr 05, 2024 06:10 PM
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ProtistManApr 05, 2024 06:10 PM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
How about getting 10G networking on client devices? And a 10G router/switch? Or even better, actual links or screenshots or other forms of proof for any of the claims you're making? Even if you're right, just saying something exists doesn't really help most people.
LOL! What claims? Are you referring to the features I listed? Maybe go search the terms if you are not familiar with them. Educate yourself on the product, don't depend on some rando (me) on the internet to make your buying decisions.

This tread is about a storage enclosure. I did mention eBay for the complete USED servers and even included the model, which is what you could compare to this posting, IMHO.

If you inquiry is earnest, I'd be happy to share more of my opinions, but I not sure that's what you are after.
Apr 05, 2024 06:38 PM
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Nintendo1474Apr 05, 2024 06:38 PM
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Quote from ProtistMan :
LOL! What claims? Are you referring to the features I listed? Maybe go search the terms if you are not familiar with them. Educate yourself on the product, don't depend on some rando (me) on the internet to make your buying decisions.

This tread is about a storage enclosure. I did mention eBay for the complete USED servers and even included the model, which is what you could compare to this posting, IMHO.

If you inquiry is earnest, I'd be happy to share more of my opinions, but I not sure that's what you are after.
If you're not going to provide proof that your idea is better, why would anyone go do it themselves when this solution is right here, right now, and ready to plug in to any computer?

I'm not depending on an internet rando to educate me. I already know what the right choice is. I'm trying to stop you from scaring other people off. Anybody who clicked this link is obviously already interested in something like this.

You're standing in front of a hot dog stand trying to tell people burgers are better. It's incredibly stupid.
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Apr 05, 2024 06:44 PM
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Nintendo1474Apr 05, 2024 06:44 PM
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Quote from cpgeek :
because USB is immensely unreliable, particularly when we're talking about multiple disks, assuming you don't want to lose all of your data to filesystem corruption when usb decides to flake out and disconnect for a second or two which happens way more often than using proper internal sata/sas connections. when it comes to storage, reliability is paramount. Further, typically over usb, the os can't see the disk's self-test data so if it reports that it's starting to fail (i.e. bad block counts are high or some other bad activity flag happens, it won't get reported and you won't know that you need to swap the disk until it's too late.
here's an article on just a few reasons why using multidisk usb storage is generally a bad idea (in the context of truenas, but is similar for other systems as well)

the deal with directly connect ethernet devices is that they ALSO should be connected to your 1g network as well. (so you use your onboard nic on the server to connect it to your normal network switch (same with the workstation), and you connect the high speed network cards together directly. - then on the workstation, you map the network drives using the server's high speed ip address (which should preferably be in a different ip range (i.e. if you use a 192.168.0.x or a 10.0.0.x for your lan, the high speed static link should be 192.168.1.x or 10.0.1.x so that the machines know that they are accessing 2 different networks. - note: if you call the server by name instead of ip, you'll get the slow ip and the data will flow over the slow connection on the workstation. (if you really want to you can manually change this in the hosts file by defining it's name and telling it that name can be found at the high speed link's server ip, but i've never bothered.
USB has plenty of error correction built in to help protect against any random disconnects. You're not gonna lose your entire drive from USB disconnecting for 2 seconds. I also personally use Teracopy for file transfers, as it compares checksums of a file before and after copying to confirm they're identical before it deletes the source file.

You can definitely still get SMART data over USB. All of my USB enclosures can, and I'm sure this one can too. You can't get smart data through a RAID card (EDIT: in raid mode. HBA mode works), though. That's well documented.

Yeah, I'm not gonna do all that networking stuff just to add more storage to my computer, and no one else who clicked to look at this will either.
Last edited by Nintendo1474 April 6, 2024 at 10:48 PM.
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Apr 05, 2024 07:41 PM
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cpgeekApr 05, 2024 07:41 PM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
USB has plenty of error correction built in to help protect against any random disconnects. You're not gonna lose your entire drive from USB disconnecting for 2 seconds. I also personally use Teracopy for file transfers, as it compares checksums of a file before and after copying to confirm they're identical before it deletes the source file.

You can definitely still get SMART data over USB. All of my USB enclosures can, and I'm sure this one can too. You can't get smart data through a RAID card, though. That's well documented.

Yeah, I'm not gonna do all that networking stuff just to add more storage to my computer, and no one else who clicked to look at this will either.
you can get smart data through a raid card in it mode (which makes it just an hba, which is usually what i recommend for most setups)
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CyanCorn8418Apr 05, 2024 10:29 PM
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Quote from Yankee495 :
Thanks for the info! I forgot to mention that they make TV tuners like the old converter boxes but they record to a USB drive. I'm sure you know but others might not and may be interested in recording over the air TV.
I've always used the HDHomerun devices in the past, so I didn't even think about other stuff like what mentioned - the hdhomeruns are network based off the bat so that's why I went with building my own array on servers
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Why do these cost so much? It is essentially the following wrapped up in a tidy package:
  • 10 port USB 3.2 hub
  • power supply for 10 HDD's
  • a pair of cheap case fans
  • hot swap bays

It really feels like this should cost way less than it does. Shouldn't a manufacturer be able to sell something like this for $150 or $200 and still make a sizeable profit?
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namlookApr 07, 2024 12:54 AM
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Quote from zyberwoof :
Why do these cost so much? It is essentially the following wrapped up in a tidy package:
  • 10 port USB 3.2 hub
  • power supply for 10 HDD's
  • a pair of cheap case fans
  • hot swap bays

It really feels like this should cost way less than it does. Shouldn't a manufacturer be able to sell something like this for $150 or $200 and still make a sizeable profit?
When I was doing some searching on alternatives I found people asking the same question 10 years ago. Maybe there's not enough demand to lower manufacturing costs.

I see an 8 bay enclosure for $220 from another manufacturer but it's not USB C and it uses trays.
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jerryfreakApr 08, 2024 02:00 PM
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Quote from JordanJ5883 :
I have been using the refurb 20TB seagate enterprise drives for 160 bucks.
where you getting 20TB for 160? thats cheaper than the usual places (serverpartdeals and goharddrive)

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