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Leno returned to 11:30pm time slot

1,581 129 January 7, 2010 at 03:37 PM in TV (3)
NBC Shakeup -- Jay Leno Comes Out on Top [tmz.com]

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We've learned Jay's 10:00 PM show will go on hiatus February 1. After the Olympics, Jay will take back his 11:30 PM time slot. What has not been decided -- whether Jay's show will be a half hour, followed by Conan, or whether Jay's show will be an hour and NBC says sayonara to Mr. O'Brien.

We're told Jay and Conan have both been told of the changes. As for Jay, interestingly, he'll get what he always wanted -- his 11:30 PM time slot.
No words on what will happen to Conan and Fallon... whether they both will get pushed back one hour of if one of them will be fired.

I prefer Leno at 11:30 than 10:00.

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shhaggy
01-20-2010 at 06:29 AM.
01-20-2010 at 06:29 AM.
Quote from lordoffire :
He's been making fun of the network every night....first in singing, then in Spanish.....what's the worse they can do? fire him?
Well once that settlement is worked out, the worst they can do to him is stop paying him without voiding the rest of the contract, including his non-compete.
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Kolto
01-20-2010 at 07:12 AM.
01-20-2010 at 07:12 AM.
i see someone went all mod alert happy.
Quote from larrymoencurly :
The "debacle" about the kind of RAM I recommended, where you failed to any provide proof, as I had requested, until you finally pointed out defective Crucial single-sided Ballistix. But that memory violated 2 of my 3 old rules of thumb: never buy RAM with 1) heatsinks on it, 2) no-name chips, or 3) a higher than normal voltage requirement. You were instead more interested in hurling personal insults, which are OK for a thread about Leno vs. Conan but ridiculous for a technical discussion. Classy, Azianai.
im just happy we don't have to follow your blatant incorrect rules in real life.
I "provided" your so called proof literally mins after i called you out on that crucial memory being the best thing since sliced bread.
you still haven't really offered any reason why your statement about leno failing a second time is true, when he was #1 because of what you claim are "humor-free morons" that watch his show, nor why the sports analogy on the contract is false.
That is why i said don't bother listening to you since all you do is strawman.

oh well anyway, seems this is the last week of conan on the show.
i can say this has gotten me to actually tune into his show again after i just stopped watching late night shows and instead watched USA reruns lol.
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vec
01-20-2010 at 07:23 AM.
01-20-2010 at 07:23 AM.
How in the world does a Leno vs Conan thread heat up....about RAM? Roll


geeks laugh out loud
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Kolto
01-20-2010 at 07:41 AM.
01-20-2010 at 07:41 AM.
Quote from vec :
how in the world does a leno vs conan thread heat up....about ram? Roll


Geeks laugh out loud
correction, im a nerd!
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01-20-2010 at 07:45 AM.
01-20-2010 at 07:45 AM.
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correction, im a nerd!
same difference Dontknow


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1southern1belle
01-20-2010 at 11:17 AM.
01-20-2010 at 11:17 AM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
I came across this article that rips Leno. Note the times are off by 1 hour b/c it's in Kansas City time (CST)..[...]...
Great article. Thx. Smilie
Quote from larrymoencurly :
It's not about rights; it's about ratings, entertainment, and every comedian's desire to be Johnny Carson's heir -- Leno's ruthless, backstabbing desire to be Johnny Carson's heir.
When I say rights, I am referring to contractual rights. My point being that Leno and those that support him, as being forced to take The Tonight Show, have not explained why he, Leno, could not walk away the same as Conan. Did Leno's contract not state the 10PM airing of his show specifically? It would seem to reason that his contract read much like Conan's as far as details to a specific show and time frame. Conan is being told by NBC to move to a different time and was able to refuse based on his contract and decided to let NBC pay for breach of contract. My thoughts are that Leno should and could be able to do the same thing, so he isn't at NBC's mercy and it seems that he is doing exactly what he wants to do, which is taking back over The Tonight Show. Although, he and others would have many to believe otherwise.
Quote from PhoenixFP :
Money. That, he's not ready to retire, and NBC will NOT let Leno go to a different network. They've shown that multiple times.

NBC can survive without Conan, but Leno for now is their breadwinner.
How can NBC stop him, if they are found in breech of the contract, that he had originally for his 10PM show? I don't think Leno is a victim here at all. He may want to appear to be one, but no one has explained why Leno couldn't take a breach of contract payout and walk away? Conan may not have been ready to retire either, and no one is saying he or Leno would be by making the same choice Conan did in this fiasco, but Leno didn't and that makes him appear to have wanted the change to a certain extent, in my eyes.
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shhaggy
01-20-2010 at 11:29 AM.
01-20-2010 at 11:29 AM.
They weren't going to intentionally breach his contract. If he refused 11:35, they likely would just sit on his contract and pay him. The breach of contract only applies to moving his show to 11:35, which he agreed to. Simply taking him off the air would not be a breach, no broadcaster would guarantee that a host would be on the air for some period of time regardless of ratings.
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01-20-2010 at 11:56 AM.
01-20-2010 at 11:56 AM.
Quote from 1southern1belle :
Just general questions to those arguing that Leno was forced back to the Tonight Show- Does Leno not have the same right to walk away as Conan? They both had contracts for specific shows and time slots, right? So if we are to believe that Leno was as much a victim of NBC as Conan, and not the one pushing for the change, why not walk away like Conan?
No Leno does not have the same right to walk away because this time around NBC wants to keep Leno...ie not letting Leno off his contract. Leno still has his 10pm show so no contract has been broken yet

If you read what I posted in #229. Leno stated twice that he wanted to walk away, after Conan took over and after NBC told him 10 pm show would be canceled. Both time NBC told Leno, No.
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appleyum
01-20-2010 at 12:10 PM.
01-20-2010 at 12:10 PM.
Quote from 1southern1belle :
When I say rights, I am referring to contractual rights. My point being that Leno and those that support him, as being forced to take The Tonight Show, have not explained why he, Leno, could not walk away the same as Conan. Did Leno's contract not state the 10PM airing of his show specifically? It would seem to reason that his contract read much like Conan's as far as details to a specific show and time frame. Conan is being told by NBC to move to a different time and was able to refuse based on his contract and decided to let NBC pay for breach of contract. My thoughts are that Leno should and could be able to do the same thing, so he isn't at NBC's mercy and it seems that he is doing exactly what he wants to do, which is taking back over The Tonight Show. Although, he and others would have many to believe otherwise.

How can NBC stop him, if they are found in breech of the contract, that he had originally for his 10PM show? I don't think Leno is a victim here at all. He may want to appear to be one, but no one has explained why Leno couldn't take a breach of contract payout and walk away? Conan may not have been ready to retire either, and no one is saying he or Leno would be by making the same choice Conan did in this fiasco, but Leno didn't and that makes him appear to have wanted the change to a certain extent, in my eyes.
I don't think NBC breach the contract with Conan. Rather they bought out his contract. I don't know full detail about his contract so take it with a grain of salt if you want. They only agree to give him the Tonight Show ... but Tonight show doesn't have a set time but historically speaking it's right around 11:30 after local news. Since Tonight Show doesn't have a set time they can move it without breaching the contract.


Jay Leno still has his 10 PM show. Breached hasn't occur yet. Basically NBC is trying to resolve the issue without breaching any contract by renegotiate with Leno and Conan before 10PM is canceled.
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01-20-2010 at 02:55 PM.
01-20-2010 at 02:55 PM.
Quote from vec :
How in the world does a Leno vs Conan thread heat up....about RAM? Roll
A crazy obsessed person holds a grudge.
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01-20-2010 at 03:48 PM.
01-20-2010 at 03:48 PM.
less talking, more booing and watching sketches of puppies dressed at cats
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01-20-2010 at 04:27 PM.
01-20-2010 at 04:27 PM.
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01-20-2010 at 04:48 PM.
01-20-2010 at 04:48 PM.
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Ultimately the fault lies with NBC. NBC forced Leno to step down from Tonight show and refuse to let him off his contract.

http://www.nypost.com/f/print/new...80IeSI?v=1

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' I thought maybe I should address this. At least give you my view of what has been going on here at NBC.

Oh, lets start in 2004 2004, Im sitting in my office, an NBC executive comes in and says to me, Listen, Conan OBrien has gotten offers from other networks. We dont want him to go, so were going to give him The Tonight Show. I said, Well, Ive been number one for 12 years. They said, We know that, but we dont think you can sustain that. I said, OK. How about until I fall to number two, then you fire me? No, we made this decision. I said, Thats fine.

Dont blame Conan OBrien. Nice guy, good family guy, great guy. He and I have talked and not a problem since then. Thats what managers and people do, they try to get something for their clients. I said, Ill retire just to avoid what happened the last time. OK.

So time goes by, and we stay number one up until the day we leave. We hand [applause] no, no. OK, but Im leaving before my contract is out. About six to eight months early. So before I could go anywhere else, it would be at least a year or 18 months before I could go and do a show somewhere else.

I said to NBC, Would you release me from my contract? They said, We want to keep you here. OK.

What are your ideas? They said, How about prime time? I said, That will never work. No, no, we want to put you on at 10. We have done focus groups. People will love you at 10. . . . Four months go by, we dont make it. Meanwhile, Conans show during the summer were not on was not doing well. The great hope was that we would help him. Well, we didnt help him any. OK.

They come and go, This show isnt working. We want to let you go. Can you let me out of my contract? No, youre still a valuable asset to this company. How valuable can I be? You fired me twice. How valuable can I be? OK.

So then, the affiliates are not happy. The affiliates are the ones that own the TV stations. Theyre the ones that sort of make the decisions. Theyre not happy with your performance, and Conan is not doing well at 11:30. I said, Whats your idea? They said, Well, look, how about you do a half-hour show at 11:30? Now, where I come from, when your boss gives you a job and you dont do it well I think we did a good job here, but we didnt get the ratings, so you get humbled. I said, OK, Im not crazy about doing a half-hour, but OK. What do you want to do with Conan? Well put him on at midnight, or 12:05, keeps The Tonight Show does all that, he gets the whole hour. I said, OK. You think Conan will go for that? Yes, yes. [Laughter.] Almost guarantee you. I said OK. Shake hands, thats it. I dont have a manager, I dont have an agent, thats my handshake deal.

Next thing, I see Conan . . . saying he doesnt want to do that. They come back to me and they say, If he decides to walk and doesnt want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, Yeah, Ill take the show back. If thats what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.

So thats pretty much where we are. It looks like we might be back at 11:30, Im not sure. I dont know. [Applause.] I dont know. But through all of this through all of this, Conan OBrien has been a gentleman. Hes a good guy. I have no animosity towards him.

This is all business. If you dont get the ratings, they take you off the air . . . You can do almost anything. You get ratings, they keep you. I dont get ratings he wants. That was NBCs solution. It didnt work, so we might have an answer for you tomorrow.

So, well see. Thats basically where it is.'
Who is blaming Conan? Confused
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01-20-2010 at 05:45 PM.
01-20-2010 at 05:45 PM.
Quote from shhaggy :
They weren't going to intentionally breach his contract. If he refused 11:35, they likely would just sit on his contract and pay him. The breach of contract only applies to moving his show to 11:35, which he agreed to. Simply taking him off the air would not be a breach, no broadcaster would guarantee that a host would be on the air for some period of time regardless of ratings.
But if Leno didn't agree to the move, then he would still get paid, on the air or not, correct? This is based on the fact that his contract did stipulate a 10PM time slot according to TMZ-
In contrast, TMZ reports that NBC's contract with Jay Leno does specifically guarantee his 10 p.m. time slot. Therefore, the network will have to negotiate a brand new deal with him before he can reclaim his 11:35 p.m. spot.
Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/entert...z0dClSkjHv

Leno isn't forced into taking the Tonight Show or going without a paycheck.


Quote from appleyum :
No Leno does not have the same right to walk away because this time around NBC wants to keep Leno...ie not letting Leno off his contract. Leno still has his 10pm show so no contract has been broken yet
If you read what I posted in #229. Leno stated twice that he wanted to walk away, after Conan took over and after NBC told him 10 pm show would be canceled. Both time NBC told Leno, No.
I don't buy that Leno wants to walk away, becaused he could have when offered the Tonight Show. If he didn't take the Tonight Show position and they canceled the 10PM show, would they not have to buy him out or let him continue in his contract for the 10PM? The guy doesn't have to work for NBC if they don't meet the terms of the contract. He is just passing the blame, so he doesn't look like a petty, backstabbing, dick. He took the Tonight Show position when they asked him to take it according to Leno.... [They come back to me and they say, If he decides to walk and doesnt want to do it, do you want the show back? I go, Yeah, Ill take the show back. If thats what he wants to do. This way, we keep our people working, fine.]..
Nice spin Leno....I wouldn't say Conan wanted to walk and not do the show. He just wanted to do it under the terms of the 11:35 time slot. The problem is Jay wanted that time slot whether it be "his show" moving to 11:35 or him taking over the Tonight Show again. If he didn't want it then he would have told NBC no, just like Conan did when the move was suggested.
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ikonoklast
01-20-2010 at 07:54 PM.
01-20-2010 at 07:54 PM.
This is getting nastier and nastier. laugh out loud

During tonight's monologue, Leno went after Letterman by saying the only way to get Letterman to ignore you is to marry him.

Oh yea, check out this Chinese news animation explaining the whole fiasco.

Animation [hulu.com]
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