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Onkyo TX-RZ30 9.2 Channel AV Receiver (Black) Black TX-RZ30BMDC - $999

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Looks like Best Buy has the newly released RZ30 on sale again for $999.

This is very similar to the Integra DRX 3.4(on sale also), this adds 2 independent sub outs & option to Dirac's subwoofer RC(DLBC).
Keep in mind the much older RZ50 can be had for less which gives you more power, processes 2 more channels.

This review was offered for reference last time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFplelXHHu8

Edit: looks like Amazon matched: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D81HV832

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/onky...Id=6594911
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Looks like Best Buy has the newly released RZ30 on sale again for $999.

This is very similar to the Integra DRX 3.4(on sale also), this adds 2 independent sub outs & option to Dirac's subwoofer RC(DLBC).
Keep in mind the much older RZ50 can be had for less which gives you more power, processes 2 more channels.

This review was offered for reference last time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFplelXHHu8

Edit: looks like Amazon matched: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D81HV832

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/onky...Id=6594911

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Model: Onkyo TX-RZ30 9.2-Channel AV Receiver - 100 Watts Per Channel, Dirac Live Out of Box, Works with Sonos Certified, THX Certified and More

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Only very superficial reviews so far. This is the perfect AVR if you plan to use Dirac and have 2 SWs (optional DLBC available for purchase). Otherwise, the much cheaper 2021 PAC line of AVRs are better choices if you only have 1 SW!
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Still debating between this and the Denon AVR-X3800H. The Onkyo has the cheaper upgrade path to Dirac Live Bass Control ($300 vs $600), but the Denon has an additional 2 pre-outs and 4 subwoofer outputs vs 2, so it's future proof if I ever want to move beyond 5.2.4. The TX-RZ50 isn't a consideration because it doesn't have independent subwoofer outputs.
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Quote from 7JMB :
Still debating between this and the Denon AVR-X3800H. The Onkyo has the cheaper upgrade path to Dirac Live Bass Control ($300 vs $600), but the Denon has an additional 2 pre-outs and 4 subwoofer outputs vs 2, so it's future proof if I ever want to move beyond 5.2.4. The TX-RZ50 isn't a consideration because it doesn't have independent subwoofer outputs.
I would add the 3800 also gives you independent preamp mode, all assignable channels & heavily rumored to get the option to Dirac's latest RC ART in the near future.
It also added a new subwoofer setting/RC(directional) that works very much like DLBC/ART.

Many are finding out about the new script A1EVO!
It's so impressive they realize Dirac is no longer needed especially considering the cost.
Only cost the purchase of the $20 Editor app which imo is pretty much mandatory with Audyssey anyways.
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I would add the 3800 also gives you independent preamp mode, all assignable channels & heavily rumored to get the option to Dirac's latest RC ART in the near future.
It also added a new subwoofer setting/RC(directional) that works very much like DLBC/ART.

Many are finding out about the new script A1EVO!
It's so impressive they realize Dirac is no longer needed especially considering the cost.
Only cost the purchase of the $20 Editor app which imo is pretty much mandatory with Audyssey anyways.
I appreciate the input. You're right, the Denon gives me the option to try XT32 & A1 Evo for $20 and forego DL + BC, at least initially.

If I move to a house with a larger HT space I would likely want to upgrade to 7.2.4 (and maybe 7.4.4) - it would be painful to have to buy a new receiver for that, especially if I already purchased a Dirac license for my previous receiver. The Denon has me covered for a long time I would think.
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Quote from 7JMB :
I appreciate the input. You're right, the Denon gives me the option to try XT32 & A1 Evo for $20 and forego DL + BC, at least initially.

If I move to a house with a larger HT space I would likely want to upgrade to 7.2.4 (and maybe 7.4.4) - it would be painful to have to buy a new receiver for that, especially if I already purchased a Dirac license for my previous receiver. The Denon has me covered for a long time I would think.
You don't need to buy a new receiver for that situation. The 3800 can process 9 channels internally but can do a full 11 channels w/external amp(s)! It has pre-outs for all that!

https://www.denon.com/dw/image/v2...pg?sw=2160
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Quote from 7JMB :
I appreciate the input. You're right, the Denon gives me the option to try XT32 & A1 Evo for $20 and forego DL + BC, at least initially.

If I move to a house with a larger HT space I would likely want to upgrade to 7.2.4 (and maybe 7.4.4) - it would be painful to have to buy a new receiver for that, especially if I already purchased a Dirac license for my previous receiver. The Denon has me covered for a long time I would think.
Yes you would lose that future option with this AVR.
Even with the RZ50, channels 10 & 11 are not assignable like the 3800.

Having used A1EVO a few times, it is a game changer for Audyssey imo!

I still give Dirac the slight edge but only if you have DLBC.
Even then, not sure you actually needed it especially on a budget.

It's nice to know they are both there if you ever decided you wanted them in the future and not forced to pay for it.
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Quote from 7JMB :
Still debating between this and the Denon AVR-X3800H. The Onkyo has the cheaper upgrade path to Dirac Live Bass Control ($300 vs $600), but the Denon has an additional 2 pre-outs and 4 subwoofer outputs vs 2, so it's future proof if I ever want to move beyond 5.2.4. The TX-RZ50 isn't a consideration because it doesn't have independent subwoofer outputs.
Why dont you just buy an RZ70?
Dirac included at no charge...DLBC if you need it and a heck of a lot more robust in the amp/power supply department

About the same price( or less) after you have to add all those add ons for Dirac , external amp etc

Best AVR under $3K according to Gene at Audioholics
https://www.audioholics.com/av-re.../#toc-h2-4
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Quote from shaddai :
You don't need to buy a new receiver for that situation. The 3800 can process 9 channels internally but can do a full 11 channels w/external amp(s)! It has pre-outs for all that!

https://www.denon.com/dw/image/v2...pg?sw=2160
Right, that's what I meant with the Denon having me covered - if/when I can expand to 7.2.4 I wouldn't need a new receiver if I had the 3800H, but I would if I had the RZ30.
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Quote from turnne :
Why dont you just buy an RZ70?
Dirac included at no charge...DLBC if you need it and a heck of a lot more robust in the amp/power supply department

About the same price( or less) after you have to add all those add ons for Dirac , external amp etc

Best AVR under $3K according to Gene at Audioholics
https://www.audioholics.com/av-re.../#toc-h2-4
You make a great point, and I should look into the RZ70 more. If I planned on going with a nice 2 channel amp for my fronts vs a cheap 2 channel amp for surround backs, plus DL+BC, the overall package with the Denon could creep close to or over the price of the RZ70.
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Quote from 7JMB :
You make a great point, and I should look into the RZ70 more. If I planned on going with a nice 2 channel amp for my fronts vs a cheap 2 channel amp for surround backs, plus DL+BC, the overall package with the Denon could creep close to or over the price of the RZ70.
One thing to also consider.
If you plan to only needing more(nicer) power for just your L/R, external amps a better long term option in my experience.

They are often much more efficient(better) than internal amps, don't become obsolete, more versatile & you have many choices.

You only have to pay for the speakers that actually need it rather than paying for all of them.
As you pointed out only needing cheap amps for surrounds, why pay for 140 watts.

If Dirac is important, no such rumors that the RZ70 will get ART & won't support 4 independent sub outs.

DL+BC on the RZ70 is $2300 right now, you likely wouldn't miss it with A1EVO, that's just $20!
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Quote from 7JMB :
You make a great point, and I should look into the RZ70 more. If I planned on going with a nice 2 channel amp for my fronts vs a cheap 2 channel amp for surround backs, plus DL+BC, the overall package with the Denon could creep close to or over the price of the RZ70.
FYI Best Buy(& Amazon) has the 3800 on sale for $1081 right now.

Denon is also doing 20% Dirac options using HOLIDAY24 code.

With these likely price hikes coming for the next 4 years, might not see these prices for awhile.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/deno...&gclsrc=ds

https://www.dirac.com/live/denon/...acForDenon
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Been trying to decide on if it's worth the extra money on the RZ30 to just have a 2024 model that supposedly has newer HDMI chipsets and may not have stuck in 20W output aggressive thermal management issues like 2021 models.

I really don't need anything more than an NR7100 and when you look at past/current deals on NR7100, RZ50 and then the LX-305/LX-505 you could say that spending more for the same money for the same or less features doesn't make sense. Not enough real reviews on the RZ30 to know for certain but want to make a decision before those potential tariffs jack up all the prices.

Not opposed to Denon either, had that before switching to Onkyo/Pioneer many years ago but everyone says Dirac Live is just way better in general then Audyssey. Don't know anything about that A1 EVO one click Audyssey tuning stuff though. Don't think DLBC as an option will be a huge deal since I'm just single sub although I've seen people say even for that it's noticeable.
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Quote from HDClown :
Been trying to decide on if it's worth the extra money on the RZ30 to just have a 2024 model that supposedly has newer HDMI chipsets and may not have stuck in 20W output aggressive thermal management issues like 2021 models.

I really don't need anything more than an NR7100 and when you look at past/current deals on NR7100, RZ50 and then the LX-305/LX-505 you could say that spending more for the same money for the same or less features doesn't make sense. Not enough real reviews on the RZ30 to know for certain but want to make a decision before those potential tariffs jack up all the prices.

Not opposed to Denon either, had that before switching to Onkyo/Pioneer many years ago but everyone says Dirac Live is just way better in general then Audyssey. Don't know anything about that A1 EVO one click Audyssey tuning stuff though. Don't think DLBC as an option will be a huge deal since I'm just single sub although I've seen people say even for that it's noticeable.
The lack of RZ30 owners is somewhat surprising for a new model (though I did predict cheap 2021 PAC AVRs would cannibalize sales). I agree there's not enough of a differentiator to make the RZ30 highly desirable. The awful firmware that gave the older AVRs DLBM/DLBC capability also made Dirac nearly inoperable, forcing one to give pause when considering the newer RZ30!
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Quote from HDClown :
Been trying to decide on if it's worth the extra money on the RZ30 to just have a 2024 model that supposedly has newer HDMI chipsets and may not have stuck in 20W output aggressive thermal management issues like 2021 models.

I really don't need anything more than an NR7100 and when you look at past/current deals on NR7100, RZ50 and then the LX-305/LX-505 you could say that spending more for the same money for the same or less features doesn't make sense. Not enough real reviews on the RZ30 to know for certain but want to make a decision before those potential tariffs jack up all the prices.

Not opposed to Denon either, had that before switching to Onkyo/Pioneer many years ago but everyone says Dirac Live is just way better in general then Audyssey. Don't know anything about that A1 EVO one click Audyssey tuning stuff though. Don't think DLBC as an option will be a huge deal since I'm just single sub although I've seen people say even for that it's noticeable.
I agree, if you don't need those features no reason to pay for them.

I wouldn't listen to all the silly rhetoric.
The power limiting only applies to 4&6ohm speakers the rest has over 3 years of ownership that had no said issues.

Even this one hasn't had any issues, no reason to think otherwise.
Even if it does it will get fixed, no reason to think otherwise.

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Even if it does it will get fixed, no reason to think otherwise.
Do you mean like when PAC had 3 years to get DLBM/DLBC on the RZ50/DRX 5.4 and still can't get it right?

Perhaps new owner Gentex will right the ship?
https://markets.ft.com/data/annou..._NY82397-1

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