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AMC's The Walking Dead [Spoilers!]

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Did you watch?

For a show on a non premium cable channel, I thought it was very good. I never read the comic, so I don't know how it compares, but I'll be watching every Sunday. pisses me off that I don't get AMC in HD though.

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04-04-2016 at 02:54 PM.
04-04-2016 at 02:54 PM.
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I have never seen a show with so many commercials, I told DH I will not buy 1 product that was advertised during showing of TWD...just can't remember what the commercials were.

And...really, the ending was so lame. Show who was beaten / killed to keep my interest and make me want to return next season. Put a fork in me, I'm done...
believe it or not, from an objective duration standpoint, it was actually quite average. the standard TWD episode is 42-44 minutes long in a 60-minute time block, so roughly 28% of the time is commercials. last night's episode was 64 minutes long in a 90-minute block, right at the same 28% level. the version i watched didn't have commercials, but i'm guessing they back-loaded the breaks near the end, making them seem more frequent in the place you cared about the most. that's the norm, especially for season finales.

when i saw the brutal IMDB rating for the episode (5.9, now 5.7), i knew they didn't show who died at the end. i did enjoy the first few minutes of Negan's monologue, but it definitely wore on toward the end, and the the way he chose was an eye-roller. as far as i'm concerned, the dungeon scene in Pulp Fiction owns picking a victim using that rhyme.

it had fat that could have been trimmed, but not enough to take out ~20 minutes to knock it down to the normal 60-minute block. they have to pay the bills and make a spectacle of it, so they went to a 90-minute block to make more room for commercials. hence showing several of the roadblocks and Negan taking twelve minutes to say six minutes' worth of information. it's criminal we saw all those things but got no details on the guys who arrived to help Carol and Morgan.

if i watch next season, it will be for Negan. he represents the most powerful centralized authority we've seen so far, and in keeping with the TWD universe, he's the most transparently ruthless. the lesson of the series so far: when all the rules are stripped away, humans get the farthest by taking what they want by force, making subjects of those they've conquered, and filling their ranks with borderline sadists who enjoy having power over others. being nice/fair/charitable is stupid if freedom and survival are your goals.

i'm actually all for Rick's group being assimilated so we can explore Negan's organization and maybe expand both the geographical and people group scopes of the show. Alexandria was kind of fun to see a weird experiment of people who were basically untouched by the outbreak, but after they proved they could harden up, that was basically done. as i've said before: the main reason i watch this show is so i can talk TV with normal people (not a lot of people i meet are into The Knick, Boardwalk Empire, and various David Simon projects)

completely random sidebar: i felt a little creepy while watching a recent episode of The Knick because of TWD. one of the rich playboys on that show (set in 1901) buys an early video camera and decides to record one of his girls (Emily Kinney, AKA Beth) undressing. i thought it was just going to be implied, but she actually got topless, and all i could think of was "i feel creepy for seeing Beth's boobs."
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04-04-2016 at 03:09 PM.
04-04-2016 at 03:09 PM.
We may not know who was beaten by Negan for several episodes....first will be the story of Carol, then the story of Negan and how he came to be the leaders of the Saviors, then what is going on at Hilltop and then the girl in the closet will be an entire episode how she got out. The writers and producers think they are very clever; the ending was mediocre at best.

Were the knights in the comics? Spoilers most welcome. Where is the comic storyline as compared to the tv show? Is it past Negan's storyline?
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04-04-2016 at 03:27 PM.
04-04-2016 at 03:27 PM.
a reminder: Negan said "i'm gonna beat the holy hell out of one of you." this does leave open the possibility he's simply going to make an example out of one of them by permanently scarring/disfiguring them as opposed to killing them. do we know how Dwight got those burns all over the side of his face?

that said, the closing camera angles indicate he took a couple pretty big swings at the character's head with a bat covered in barbed wire, so unless they've got a staffed OR room standing by, that would pretty assuredly mean death in real life. however, we are in the TWD universe where Eugene can be back and up running a few days after getting shot, Carl can live after being shot straight through the eye, and Carol can be shot three times (twice in the areas of major arteries) and not bleed out.
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04-04-2016 at 04:26 PM.
04-04-2016 at 04:26 PM.
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Were the knights in the comics? Spoilers most welcome. Where is the comic storyline as compared to the tv show? Is it past Negan's storyline?
The lead-in to the ending of the season finale was a bit different in the comics. However, the speech, Negan posturing, and how he chose the victim as well as Rick almost in a state of shock was all in there. There are quite a few more F-bombs in the comics as Negan has no filter laugh out loud There is another faction in Washington DC, a split from the Hilltop that hasn't been mentioned and my guess is that the Knights are this faction. We'll see.

The season finale is actually Issue #100 in the comics and they are now on Issue #152 with #153 coming out this month. A whole slew of stuff has happened in those 52 issues which I won't get into but rest assured it is satisfying and I can spoil that there is yet another faction after the Saviors that Rick and company have to deal with that lead to yet more major role deaths.
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04-05-2016 at 06:26 AM.
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..Eugene can be back and up running a few days after getting shot, Carl can live after being shot straight through the eye, and Carol can be shot three times (twice in the areas of major arteries) and not bleed out.
To be fair, they touched on Carl's injury on Talking Dead. Instead of straight through (and low, since he was much younger) in the comics, they purported that the bullet impacted his eye socket, shattering, and the bullet deflected away, but the bone fragments destroyed his eye and surrounding tissue. They could've easily had Denise explain that in 20 seconds on the show, but chose not to, because fark the show-only viewers, right?

Another point about the finale - anyone remember Daryl get farking shot last week? They totally skipped over that and just showed him alive with a blanket around his shoulders. Totally removed all doubt as to a) whether he was alive and b) it clearly wasn't a life-threatening injury, or one that disfigured his face. Absolutely lazy, disrespectful writing; just a plot device to end the penultimate episode with a BANG.
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04-05-2016 at 07:55 AM.
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To be fair, they touched on Carl's injury on Talking Dead. Instead of straight through (and low, since he was much younger) in the comics, they purported that the bullet impacted his eye socket, shattering, and the bullet deflected away, but the bone fragments destroyed his eye and surrounding tissue. They could've easily had Denise explain that in 20 seconds on the show, but chose not to, because fark the show-only viewers, right?

Another point about the finale - anyone remember Daryl get farking shot last week? They totally skipped over that and just showed him alive with a blanket around his shoulders. Totally removed all doubt as to a) whether he was alive and b) it clearly wasn't a life-threatening injury, or one that disfigured his face. Absolutely lazy, disrespectful writing; just a plot device to end the penultimate episode with a BANG.
The writing in general for this whole season felt LAZY. It's like the figured fark it theres going to be ALOT of action, thats all anybody cares about anyway right?!
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04-05-2016 at 08:48 AM.
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To be fair, they touched on Carl's injury on Talking Dead. Instead of straight through (and low, since he was much younger) in the comics, they purported that the bullet impacted his eye socket, shattering, and the bullet deflected away, but the bone fragments destroyed his eye and surrounding tissue. They could've easily had Denise explain that in 20 seconds on the show, but chose not to, because fark the show-only viewers, right?

Another point about the finale - anyone remember Daryl get farking shot last week? They totally skipped over that and just showed him alive with a blanket around his shoulders. Totally removed all doubt as to a) whether he was alive and b) it clearly wasn't a life-threatening injury, or one that disfigured his face. Absolutely lazy, disrespectful writing; just a plot device to end the penultimate episode with a BANG.
i'd be fine with that if they showed it at a distance to keep it vague, but they showed a close-up of Carl right after he was shot, and his ocular cavity was fully intact; his eye was just blown out. i get they like to keep things "real" with admittedly amazing makeup as opposed to digital effects, but they already had to go digital on this one, so i don't know why they didn't show a more realistic version of such an important scene.

i fully agree about Daryl getting shot. as i said last week, the fake death is my least favorite trope, and this week's episode proved it was truly a cheap stab to generate some interest by threatening the death of the most popular character.
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04-05-2016 at 08:48 AM.
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The writing in general for this whole season felt LAZY. It's like the figured fark it theres going to be ALOT of action, thats all anybody cares about anyway right?!
Yep, 100% feel the same way. A whole lot going on, but usually without good reason, and no one even remotely following the things that kept them alive for 6 seasons.

Characters just leaving Alexandria on a whim, not checking in, the "leader" is too busy comfortably lounging in bed with his new queen, and meanwhile there are all these stupid little story lines to conveniently get EVERYONE to leave, and end up in the same place.

Sloppy, lazy writing, and totally disrespectful to the people who have even touched the comics. I don't hate when GOT diverts from the source material, because Martin doesn't blatantly lie to my face on national television, or use gimmicks to pretend shit didn't happen.

I am honestly surprised Kirkman was as proud of the finale as he was on Talking Dead. It's turning into Lost, with all the unanswered questions.
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04-05-2016 at 08:55 AM.
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Yep, 100% feel the same way. A whole lot going on, but usually without good reason, and no one even remotely following the things that kept them alive for 6 seasons.

Characters just leaving Alexandria on a whim, not checking in, the "leader" is too busy comfortably lounging in bed with his new queen, and meanwhile there are all these stupid little story lines to conveniently get EVERYONE to leave, and end up in the same place.

Sloppy, lazy writing, and totally disrespectful to the people who have even touched the comics. I don't hate when GOT diverts from the source material, because Martin doesn't blatantly lie to my face on national television, or use gimmicks to pretend shit didn't happen.

I am honestly surprised Kirkman was as proud of the finale as he was on Talking Dead. It's turning into Lost, with all the unanswered questions.
Exactly, they need to explain carol going retarded more. Why Glenn and Maggie feel the urge to be seperated 100% of the time? Marital problems? Why Rick cares soo much about hilltop and isnt building the self-sustaining eco system they planned on? It's so poorly written I'm contemplating quitting watching.
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04-05-2016 at 10:05 AM.
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Exactly, they need to explain carol going retarded more. Why Glenn and Maggie feel the urge to be seperated 100% of the time? Marital problems? Why Rick cares soo much about hilltop and isnt building the self-sustaining eco system they planned on? It's so poorly written I'm contemplating quitting watching.
Yeah, I hate to say it, because I've already invested so much and still enjoy the comics so much, but if this is the respect we're gonna get from the showrunners, they clearly don't care what they put out.

Maggie and Glenn separating is driving me crazy. He gets saved from certain death at the season break, and then they spend most of their time apart.

I think Carol is slowly approaching her comic end. I won't spoil anything, but she is not the badass she became on the show, and it seems like she's quickly losing her identity.

I don't know why, but I feel like she's going to convince Morgan to kill her? That's not what happened in the comics, but she clearly does not want to soldier on anymore, and she'll put that heavy decision on Morgan.
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04-05-2016 at 10:21 AM.
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Yeah, I hate to say it, because I've already invested so much and still enjoy the comics so much, but if this is the respect we're gonna get from the showrunners, they clearly don't care what they put out.

Maggie and Glenn separating is driving me crazy. He gets saved from certain death at the season break, and then they spend most of their time apart.

I think Carol is slowly approaching her comic end. I won't spoil anything, but she is not the badass she became on the show, and it seems like she's quickly losing her identity.

I don't know why, but I feel like she's going to convince Morgan to kill her? That's not what happened in the comics, but she clearly does not want to soldier on anymore, and she'll put that heavy decision on Morgan.
Yea she either needs to die or become badass again. This whole emo sh!t isnt entertaining. You've survived in a zombie apocalypse for XX years now, and just now you're getting emotional about killing?!
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04-05-2016 at 12:28 PM.
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I think Carol is slowly approaching her comic end. I won't spoil anything, but she is not the badass she became on the show, and it seems like she's quickly losing her identity.

I don't know why, but I feel like she's going to convince Morgan to kill her? That's not what happened in the comics, but she clearly does not want to soldier on anymore, and she'll put that heavy decision on Morgan.
I'm wondering if they are going to switch her role with Michonne's from the comic. Like how
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04-05-2016 at 12:42 PM.
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It's so poorly written I'm contemplating quitting watching.
I quit watching it about a year ago. No matter how "pretty" Daryl is, I just couldn't take the poorly written plot lines anymore.
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I'm wondering if they are going to switch her role with Michonne's from the comic. Like how
She has nowhere to go from here, unless she fully embraces killer or housewife.

I'm thinking more along the lines of..
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She has nowhere to go from here, unless she fully embraces killer or housewife.

I'm thinking more along the lines of..
I really hope not Nono I hated that version of Carol. I understand people will end up losing it - it's a zombie apocalypse after all, but I'm hoping they wrote out that sort of crazy for the TV show laugh out loud

Just hated how that happened in the comic. Ermm
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