Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

11-23-2011 at 01:48 PM.

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Tell that to your fellow Califorians

Where the fark are those cops to take down that unsightly mess

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You're kidding me, right? The AIDS Lifecycle fundraising and awareness tour doesn't camp out in one location for an indefinite amount of time! It's a seven day tour of CA. And, there are like 25+ rest stops!

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11-23-2011 at 01:49 PM.

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I'm not against upholding the law, I just think many laws are stupid and outdated (no, I'm not particularly referring to this law)...however, if a cop pulled you over for going 1 MPH over the speed limit and told you to get out of the car and put your hands on the hood, you really mean to tell me you're not going to question why the excessive procedure for simply driving a tiny bit too fast? Not one single question? And if you asked, "What did I do officer that I need to get out and be searched?", could he not interpret that as a "resistance" to his "order"? And if you were pepper sprayed at that point, would you really tell yourself that "I guess I should of just shut my mouth and done what the officer told me."?

He's making an unreasonable request. I'd have no problem getting out of my car if he wanted to talk to me. But if he doesn't have the right to search me, then he can't. In addition, unless there is a cause for him to search my vehicle, when he asks if he can search my vehicle, he'll be told no.

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Point being is that unnecessary extremes were gone to in this scenario to "resolve" a peaceful protest that was no where within a couple hundred feet of any campus building (as best I could tell), when it could of just been let go, and to let them protest peacefully.

They were willing to do that, as long as they moved off the sidewalk. They made a big deal of it to be a martyr. How do you now understand that?

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The problem I see (in this thread anyway), is that many don't agree with the views of the protesters, so you will find any excuse to justify the unneeded actions of law enforcement.

STOP for a second before you hit reply...let it sink in a bit.... And lie to yourself that this isn't the truth of it.

I disagree. There are even people in the thread who sympathize with the protesters and feel the police were in the right. There was no unneeded action on the part of law enforcement. LEOs have a duty to uphold the law, these people broke the law, they were removed after the refused to comply.

I'm simply stunned that you aren't getting this.

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11-23-2011 at 01:49 PM.

To answer z2G's question about dispersion of the crowd... if anything needed to be done, why not just cite them with a fine, the same way MUCH more dangerous crimes are dealt with? If I do ~20MPH over the limit in a school zone, endangering the lives of children, I get a ticket...but if I sit on my ass and voice my opinion on a sidewalk, I get pepper-sprayed? That doesn't seem balanced to me. Does it to you?

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11-23-2011 at 01:50 PM.

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why bother having any constitutional right to assemble and make one's voice heard when you are going to be told its time to leave or get the fark out...

You think people should be restricted to a time limit in how long they can protest something

LOL.....I'm being very sincere and honest here. I'm not trying to be cynical or facetious. Can you just answer directly then that you believe that the protesters should be allowed to stay wherever they like for as long as they like?

Is that your answer? That's all I'm asking.

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11-23-2011 at 01:51 PM.

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Yup, sure. The did break the law. Is that what you want to hear? Great. Glad we got that out in the open.

Did the deserve the type of violence that was used against them? Absolutely not.

Did they actually have a reasonable issue with how they were being treated? Yup.

Do these occupy protesters? Nope.

Did the occupy protesters deserve what they got? Absolutely based on the techniques used for force by the police.

Guess what though? Laws change and law enforcement policies change and get better and have since the 60s. And if you still think that comparing this movement to the civil rights movement is in anyway warranted, you really are an idiot whose mind will never be changed by logic.

Funny, I don't see them blocking a sidewalk and breaking a law. I guess we can let them support their dumb cause.

You just don't like THE MESSAGE that these protesters are saying, so you feel that it is ok for the police to do what they did

Just like in the 60's certain WHITES did not like THE MESSAGE that the blacks were saying, so they were ok with the police doing what they did

Both are dumb causes to people who have biased and hated views, you don't like the message so its ok to KILL IT.. Thats the kind of person you are..

Which proves my case that you would probably not be appualed at police brutality as long as you don't share the same view as the "protestors"

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11-23-2011 at 01:51 PM.

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I'm not saying it to be argumentative or dickheadish, but I'm not reading all 20+ pages. If you want to link me to his posts, or even direct me to what page(s) they're on, I'll gladly take a look at them.

that's just being lazy
you're acting like the other guy in the podium TRNT
if you want to have a discussion, you should spend the time to read the discussion

anyway, what people were saying to read was bryantq's post
https://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=44953220&postcount=101

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11-23-2011 at 01:51 PM.

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To answer z2G's question about dispersion of the crowd... if anything needed to be done, why not just cite them with a fine, the same way MUCH more dangerous crimes are dealt with? If I do ~20MPH over the limit in a school zone, endangering the lives of children, I get a ticket...but if I sit on my ass and voice my opinion on a sidewalk, I get pepper-sprayed? That doesn't seem balanced to me. Does it to you?

How many times do you need to be issued a ticket before you stop breaking the law? How many times does it take for you to be issued a ticket, you still refuse to follow the law and you're arrested? When should you get pepper sprayed for resisting arrest?

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You just don't like THE MESSAGE that these protesters are saying, so you feel that it is ok for the police to do what they did

Just like in the 60's certain WHITES did not like THE MESSAGE that the blacks were saying, so they were ok with the police doing what they did

Both are dumb causes to people who have biased and hated views, you don't like the message so its ok to KILL IT.. Thats the kind of person you are..

Which proves my case that you would probably not be appualed at police brutality as long as you don't share the same view as the "protestors"

No. I 100% disagree with this. You're simply interpreting this how you want to twist the point for your own benefit.

If it makes your feel better though.. go ahead and call me a racist and believe what you want. I don't particularly give a shit what you think about me. I really don't care about the opinion of some idiot anarchist.

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11-23-2011 at 01:53 PM.

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To answer z2G's question about dispersion of the crowd... if anything needed to be done, why not just cite them with a fine, the same way MUCH more dangerous crimes are dealt with? If I do ~20MPH over the limit in a school zone, endangering the lives of children, I get a ticket...but if I sit on my ass and voice my opinion on a sidewalk, I get pepper-sprayed? That doesn't seem balanced to me. Does it to you?

if you trespass, do you just get a fine? or do you get arrested 1st?
also if you're speeding along at 200 mph, im pretty sure the police will arrest you 1st

This was the 1st step, you don't just write a citation.

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11-23-2011 at 01:53 PM.

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To answer z2G's question about dispersion of the crowd... if anything needed to be done, why not just cite them with a fine, the same way MUCH more dangerous crimes are dealt with? If I do ~20MPH over the limit in a school zone, endangering the lives of children, I get a ticket...but if I sit on my ass and voice my opinion on a sidewalk, I get pepper-sprayed? That doesn't seem balanced to me. Does it to you?

Thank you for answering my question. That's all I wanted. I'm trying to keep an open mind and was honestly curious what pro-protesters ppl think is a solution. Instead, I'm met with anger and the same repeating answer that doesn't answer my question.

So, after the cops cite them with a ticket, then what happens? They're allowed to stay? Do they keep getting cited for any additional hour/day that they remain there.....like when you're illegally parked and your car will keep accruing tickets until you move it?

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11-23-2011 at 01:54 PM.

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You're kidding me, right? The AIDS Lifecycle fundraising and awareness tour doesn't camp out in one location for an indefinite amount of time! It's a seven day tour of CA. And, there are like 25+ rest stops!

They are still camping on a area for more then a few hours much like those students..

However good to see that you missed the bottom pic of all the homeless Californians who have resorted to setting up camp in your fiscally disasterous state

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11-23-2011 at 01:58 PM.

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No. I 100% disagree with this. You're simply interpreting this how you want to twist the point for your own benefit.

If it makes your feel better though.. go ahead and call me a racist and believe what you want. I don't particularly give a shit what you think about me. I really don't care about the opinion of some idiot anarchist.

Believe me your statements and post on this thread clearly showed you are NO FAN of these OWS or OCCUPY movement and that any mistreatment and use of force in stopping it is ok in your eyes..

And unlike you while I may kid and smear and overall make fun of Tea Partiers alike, I would be appualed if the police came in and started macing and beating them..

Because I believe everyone has a RIGHT TO PROTEST regardless of how stupid or valid it is, and any form of crackdown or assualt by gov't forces is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

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11-23-2011 at 02:00 PM.

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Believe me your statements and post on this thread clearly showed you are NO FAN of these OWS or OCCUPY movement and that any mistreatment and use of force in stopping it is ok in your eyes..

And unlike you while I may kid and smear and overall make fun of Tea Partiers alike, I would be appualed if the police came in and started macing and beating them..

Because I believe everyone has a RIGHT TO PROTEST regardless of how stupid or valid it is, and any form of crackdown or assualt by gov't forces is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

You're right. I think they're a bunch of lazy hippies who just want a free handout from the gov't. For someone who is so pro-anarchy it seems, I'm shocked you even support them. You don't want a police state, but you want full gov't assistance like these lazy hippies?

There was no mistreatment and misuse of force here, period. You can think that my dislike for the movement and the idiots involved in it has something to do with my opinion there, or you can just actually understand that they got what they deserved based on the law and police procedures.

You are right, everyone has the right to protest. They don't, however, have the right to break the law. This includes blocking the sidewalk as well as rape, assaulting police officers, and using and selling drugs.

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11-23-2011 at 02:01 PM.

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They are still camping on a area for more then a few hours much like those students..

However good to see that you missed the bottom pic of all the homeless Californians who have resorted to setting up camp in your fiscally disasterous state

Oh? So, the Davis protesters were only camped out there for a few hours prior to being pepper sprayed?

I assumed it was for at least several days at least because there's documentation that the school officials sent them official warnings in writing.

By the way, I'm stilling waiting on your answer to my very SIMPLE question. Yes or no?

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11-23-2011 at 02:03 PM.

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You're right. I think they're a bunch of lazy hippies who just want a free handout from the gov't. For someone who is so pro-anarchy it seems, I'm shocked you even support them. You don't want a police state, but you want full gov't assistance like these lazy hippies?

There was no mistreatment and misuse of force here, period. You can think that my dislike for the movement and the idiots involved in it has something to do with my opinion there, or you can just actually understand that they got what they deserved based on the law and police procedures.

You are right, everyone has the right to protest. They don't, however, have the right to break the law. This includes blocking the sidewalk as well as rape, assaulting police officers, and using and selling drugs.

you realize you're arguing with someone who still hasn't actually gone out into the real world and worked right?

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11-23-2011 at 02:04 PM.

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you realize you're arguing with someone who still hasn't actually gone out into the real world and worked right?

Oh, I thought he was just stupid and ignorant. I didn't realize he was stupid, ignorant, and had zero life experience. Maybe his opinion of these idiots will change as he gets older and realizes how the world works.