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Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

559 41 August 30, 2007 at 10:13 AM
Original article from Lexington Herald Leader [kentucky.com]
Mom pushes Applebee's on breast-feeding

WANTS CHANGE IN POLICY AFTER BEING TOLD TO COVER HERSELF

By Linda B. Blackford
[email protected]

Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff
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Brooke Ryan nursed her 10-month-old son, Michael, at her home. She says her goal is to teach, not to be provocative. Photo by David Stephenson | Staff

In June, Brooke Ryan walked into a Nicholasville Road Applebee's restaurant to celebrate an anniversary lunch with her children.

She walked out humiliated, in tears and without the lunch.

But the incident over breast-feeding her 7-month-old son at Applebee's has spurred the soft-spoken 34-year-old to start a public awareness campaign on the rights of breast-feeding women in Kentucky.

"On a small scale, I want Applebee's to change its policy," Ryan said. "On a large scale ... I want breast-feeding to be accepted."

The dispute with Applebee's began June 14. Ryan chose a booth in the back of the restaurant away from other customers. When her baby, Michael, got hungry, she began to nurse him discreetly, she said.

But a waitress came over and said that if she wanted to breast-feed, she had to cover the baby with a blanket. Ryan said it was so hot that she didn't have a blanket. The waitress then repeated her request. Ryan said she then asked to see the manager and handed him a copy of the 2006 Kentucky law that prohibits interference with a woman breast-feeding her baby in public.

The manager said he knew about the law but a customer had complained about indecent exposure, so she had to cover the baby with a blanket.

Ryan left as her food came, to nurse her baby in the car.

Her lawyer wrote a letter to Thomas & King, the company that operates Applebee's in Central Kentucky. They got no response. After a second letter, a Thomas & King lawyer said the restaurant chain would consider keeping blankets in the restaurant so that breast-feeding women could cover themselves.

"That's like telling Rosa Parks she still had to sit in the back of the bus, but we'll give her a blanket to make her more comfortable," Ryan said.

When contacted yesterday, Mike Scanlon, president of Thomas & King, said he didn't know about the incident. However, he called the Herald-Leader back to say that Applebee's had no policy against breast-feeding.

"It is perfectly legal to breast-feed in public and we support that," Scanlon said. "I'm not sure the manager said cover the baby's head, I think he said cover yourself modestly. This was by no means intended as interference, but a request to do it modestly, which I believe is an appropriate response."

Ryan says that as an experienced breast-feeder, she is extremely modest, and, in that instance, made sure that she was facing into the corner.

"Some women think it's fine to cover up with a blanket, but a woman shouldn't be forced to," said her husband, Michael Ryan.

Sen. Tom Buford, R-Nicholasville, who sponsored the breast-feeding protection bill, agrees.

"She was not treated right under the new law," he said. "There should have been no comment made to her at all; the restaurant overstepped its boundaries. There's no way they can explain their way out of this."

Thirty-nine states, including Kentucky, allow women to breast-feed in any public or private location.

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends exclusive breast-feeding for about the first six months and support for breast-feeding for the first year and beyond as long as mutually desired by mother and child. But according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, only 11 percent of mothers meet the six-month mark. Thirty percent breast-feed exclusively for the first three months. Kentucky's rates are 7.5 percent and 25 percent, respectively, according to a 2007 report.

Scanlon suggested that Ryan had an "agenda."

"I note with interest that she had a copy of the statute with her," he said. "I'm glad to let this become a matter that we can all learn from."

But if all Ryan wanted going into Applebee's was an anniversary lunch, she may indeed have an agenda now.

August is World Breast-feeding Awareness Month, and Ryan has organized two related public events:

• A "Nurse-In" at the children's play area at Fayette Mall from 1-3 p.m. Saturday. Ryan says the mall is not a target, but has a place for kids to play.

• From noon to 2 p.m. Sept. 8, she is holding a "Nurse Out" with posters and breast-feeding in front of the Applebee's on Nicholasville Road.

She's also asking for a public apology from Applebee's and training for its employees about the rights of breast-feeding mothers. Some day, she says, she would like to see the international breast-feeding symbol of a mother and child in every restaurant that supports the practice.

"I'm not trying to be provocative," she said. "I want to teach."

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08-30-2007 at 01:58 PM.
08-30-2007 at 01:58 PM.
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In before the Podium! Woot
Damn it...I now have two of them going at the same time Annoyed

I don't have a problem with women breast feeding in public. I was unable to because my body didn't produce enough milk and I probably wouldn't have done that in public because no matter how natural it is I still probably would have been sort of embarassed, lol. However the woman in this article kind of annoys me.
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08-30-2007 at 01:59 PM.
08-30-2007 at 01:59 PM.
Edit: Sorry mother types Smilie
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08-30-2007 at 02:17 PM.
08-30-2007 at 02:17 PM.
Quote from Vino24 :
I only read the title..........

Bitches need to do that shit in private.
Nothing else needs to be said.
If she has a problem "covering herself up", she's nothing more than a rabble-rauser.

Maybe someone needs to rub one out in the booth across from her.
If you're so appalled by your dog, you need to cover her. She obviously doesn't have arms to get a blanket for herself. And we'll thank you to keep us out of your private affairs where rubbing anything around your dog is concerned.
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08-30-2007 at 02:27 PM.
08-30-2007 at 02:27 PM.
Oh wow... Bigeye
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08-30-2007 at 02:39 PM.
08-30-2007 at 02:39 PM.
Edit: Sorry mother types
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08-30-2007 at 02:43 PM.
08-30-2007 at 02:43 PM.
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Bitch also stands for a dumb woman that acts rudly toward society. Similar to that of a "dick" for men.

Save the baby games, ma'am.
How narrow is your world? If we didn't have pharmaceutical companies making formula, you'd have all children being breastfed. Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society, it's the skewed mentality that thinks it is that's the problem.
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08-30-2007 at 03:01 PM.
08-30-2007 at 03:01 PM.
i think its fine for the woman to do. but if you catch me looking.. just smile Smilie lord knows what some people would do if they went to europe. i think it should be you cant say anything to the woman. its like telling a blind person they cant bring their dog in.
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08-30-2007 at 03:06 PM.
08-30-2007 at 03:06 PM.
Quote from Vino24 :
I only read the title..........

Bitches need to do that shit in private.
Nothing else needs to be said.
If she has a problem "covering herself up", she's nothing more than a rabble-rauser.

Maybe someone needs to rub one out in the booth across from her.
Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) Wow, thanks for that thought provoking point of view. Glad you could contribute. How old are you again, 15?
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08-30-2007 at 03:06 PM.
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i think its fine for the woman to do. but if you catch me looking.. just smile Smilie lord knows what some people would do if they went to europe. i think it should be you cant say anything to the woman. its like telling a blind person they cant bring their dog in.
Ok now, don't get me started on those blind people and their dogs. Mad
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Ok now, don't get me started on those blind people and their dogs. Mad

Sometimes I pretend to be blind so I can take my dog into the stores and restaurants Rock
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08-30-2007 at 03:07 PM.
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The things are being put to the use they were intended!!! Just because men go ga ga over ta tas is not an excuse to somehow think that breastfeeding is some deviant behavior! Geez. And to those of you concerned how to explain it to your own children, you are perpetuating the problem. It's OK for women to go get breast implants to be more sexually attractive to men, yet breastfeeding is wrong? Amazing. And just who decided men could go topless, but a woman topless was something indecent? Men perhaps? What a double standard!

My breasts are not indecent! In fact they are quite fabulous! Stick Out Tongue Big Grin
excuse me, but for those women out there who get breast implants, they don't go around naked for the most part (unless they are strippers and there's a place and time for that too). so, we're not talking about a double standard. they are two totally separate things. i don't go to applebee's with the same mindset as when i go to a nudie bar. i don't expect bare breasts in front of me when i eat meatloaf and potatoes with my wife and kids next to me. if that makes me wrong, then oh well.

here's an analogy for you since some women on this thread have mentioned the "natural" use of our bodies......a man's penis is for urinating and mating/sexual intercourse. if we use the same argument for breastfeeding (natural, biological thing) with the male penis, then men should be able to just whip it out anywhere and urinate.....since it is what it's intended to do!

but, once again, because if involves the sacred woman and her baby, it's a "beautiful" thing. sure......as stated, if you ladies feel that way, then feel free to go bare chested any time you want! why stop at breastfeeding!?!?!?!

by the way, as we've stated multiple times, BREASTFEEDING IS NOT BAD! however, showing off your breasts in a restaurant with other ppl eating is bad taste (excuse the pun) and not proper etiquette.
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Are you female? Please submit a pic of you breastfeeding then.
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There. Oooh... it's so obscene. Roll Eyes (Sarcastic) The pink you see is my son's face. He was 3 days old in this picture.


woot If I had a photo available, I'd post also. It can be done with taste (at least enough taste that mature adults can handle).


Quote from z2g :
excuse me, but for those women out there who get breast implants, they don't go around naked for the most part (unless they are strippers and there's a place and time for that too). so, we're not talking about a double standard. they are two totally separate things. i don't go to applebee's with the same mindset as when i go to a nudie bar. i don't expect bare breasts in front of me when i eat meatloaf and potatoes with my wife and kids next to me. if that makes me wrong, then oh well.

here's an analogy for you since some women on this thread have mentioned the "natural" use of our bodies......a man's penis is for urinating and mating/sexual intercourse. if you we use the same argument for breastfeeding (natural, biological thing) with the male penis, then men should be able to just whip it out anywhere and urinate.....since it is what it's intended to do!

but, once again, because if involves the sacred woman and her baby, it's a "beautiful" thing. sure......
as stated, if you ladies feel that way, then feel free to go bare chested any time you want! why stop at breastfeeding!?!?!?!
BUT here's the thing... Almost *every* place of establishment has created restrooms specifically for that purpose. Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue if there were places created just for nursing mothers? Some stores actually have these, and they are wonderful. If a store is concerned with it, they should take the steps to minimize the problem while still remaining lawful and tactful... So a nursing room would be great. Just having a bathroom and thinking that a mom should have to feed her baby in there is not enough.
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Quote from z2g :
excuse me, but for those women out there who get breast implants, they don't go around naked for the most part (unless they are strippers and there's a place and time for that too). so, we're not talking about a double standard. they are two totally separate things. i don't go to applebee's with the same mindset as when i go to a nudie bar. i don't expect bare breasts in front of me when i eat meatloaf and potatoes with my wife and kids next to me. if that makes me wrong, then oh well.

here's an analogy for you since some women on this thread have mentioned the "natural" use of our bodies......a man's penis is for urinating and mating/sexual intercourse. if you we use the same argument for breastfeeding (natural, biological thing) with the male penis, then men should be able to just whip it out anywhere and urinate.....since it is what it's intended to do!

but, once again, because if involves the sacred woman and her baby, it's a "beautiful" thing. sure......as stated, if you ladies feel that way, then feel free to go bare chested any time you want! why stop at breastfeeding!?!?!?!

by the way, as we've stated multiple times, BREASTFEEDING IS NOT BAD! however, showing off your breasts in a restaurant with other ppl eating is bad taste (excuse the pun) and not proper etiquette.
Again with wanting to whip out the penis! You are not nourishing another human with your urine. shake head

Also, I've seen a lot of breastfeeding in public. I've never seen more than a quick flash of skin if a kid makes a move to look around mid-feed. Moms aren't doing it to show off their breasts in a restaurant.
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08-30-2007 at 03:17 PM.
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How narrow is your world? If we didn't have pharmaceutical companies making formula, you'd have all children being breastfed. Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society, it's the skewed mentality that thinks it is that's the problem.
Breastfeeding isn't rude toward society.....doing it brazenly in public, espeically in an eating establishment is.vomit

Overbearing personalitied mothers are the most narrow people on this earth, and that's the god's honest truth. If it involves kids, or otherwise motherly topics, they will bury opponents into the ground about it, even if they're obviously wrong, or skewed in their thoughts. Must be the hormones.

That's all for now!
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08-30-2007 at 03:18 PM.
08-30-2007 at 03:18 PM.
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BUT here's the thing... Almost *every* place of establishment has created restrooms specifically for that purpose. Maybe it wouldn't be such an issue if their were places created just for nursing mothers? Some stores actually have these, and they are wonderful. If a store is concerned with it, they should take the steps to minimize the problem while still remaining lawful and tactful... So a nursing room would be great. Just having a bathroom and thinking that a mom should have to feed her baby in there is not enough.
But, businesses should NOT be obligated to make a private room for breastfeeding mothers. Why should they be treated any differently? Let's say a random person likes to go "skin" when he eats because it's more natural to them. Should the establishment allow it? Should they be obligated to build a special room for those type of ppl?

The bottom line is that it's the woman's choice to breastfeed. And, I TOTALLY respect that. However, it then does NOT have to interfere with other ppl's comfort level in certain situations.

It's my right with freedom of speech to voice my opinion. However, I'm not going to go to a elementary school and pass out KKK propaganda! Likewise, I can't go into a crowded room and yell "FIRE!"

So, at a minimum, asking a mother to cover up is a professional and nice compromise for both parties. Yet, some women think it's asking to much!?!?!?Confused
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