AtGames Legends Gamer Pro SE Tabletop Arcade

Slikku

Mar 29, 2021 3:27 PM

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SlikkuMar 29, 2021 3:27 PM

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Quote from D34Lmein

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it is just not responsive enough to be enjoyable.

- frustrated with the general lack of responsiveness in the controller

- impossible without being able to quickly maneuver multiple turns in succession. literally both of them won Mrs Pacman tournaments at their local arcades in their day)

I can suggest three things if you don't want to give up on it...

- You didn't say how the controller is connected to the puck... if it is via Bluetooth (the default), connect the controller directly to the puck via included USB cable and hold down the P2 button until the blue Bluetooth-connection lights on the controller go out. This will ensure you are playing "wired", as opposed to connected via USB but still using Bluetooth. Doing this made games for me like Galaga where I'm used to timed button mashes much more playable

- The Ms Pac Man tournaments, presumably on stock Ms Pac Man cabinets, had 4-way gates on the sticks. This controller has 8-way, which makes it more difficult to play maze style games (put joystick in 12-O'Clock position and slowly go around outer edge, you can feel the eight positions). Look into installing a 4-way gate (try $7 SANWA GT-8F 4/8 Way Restrictor Plate Gate JLF Series as recommended by another user, after looking into how to install it) and this may greatly improve Pac Man games

- Make sure picture mode on TV is in "gaming" mode if there is one

chrisp7815

Mar 29, 2021 3:45 PM

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chrisp7815Mar 29, 2021 3:45 PM

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Quote from D34Lmein

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I know this is an old expired thread now... But I wanted to share my experience with this product. I jumped all over this deal!
Got it and hooked it up without issue and was playing.

Big problem tho... it is just not responsive enough to be enjoyable.

I had several different people try it out, all without telling them I had an issue with it. I let them play and give me feedback. All of them were excited to play it and each person tried a couple different games and while all initially were having fun for a few minutes, all of them, in short order, became frustrated with the general lack of responsiveness in the controller. For example playing games like burgertime and the generic packman game were atrocious. You could never get the guy to turn when you wanted him to, forget about trying to make 2 quick turns in succession. Needless to say getting all the toppings or eating all the pellets was impossible without being able to quickly maneuver multiple turns in succession. And for sample size of people who I tested with - it was my wife and I, both my kids (13 and 11), both of our moms (they were both Mrs Pacman pros themselves when they were younger - literally both of them won Mrs Pacman tournaments at their local arcades in their day) and several of our friends also tried it out.

I really wanted this to be awesome. But in the end the overall lag in response times from the controller caused more frustration than enjoyment. This product has been returned.

I could never justify spending any amount of money or time on modding this or buying more games as it is just unacceptable to use.

This old expired thread is getting over 10 posts a day, many of which describe what you just posted and ways to fix it.

maddoghoek100

Mar 29, 2021 4:36 PM

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maddoghoek100Mar 29, 2021 4:36 PM

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The plywood and the buttons are worth something, but for a real power user this thing lacks the stability and support. The Sauce packs are really well made and it is great that there is a community around these, but the hardware is just not up to snuff and the firmeware is really suspect. Better buy is likely the microcenter console and a Pi 4. BUt the microcenter set is 99 or 120, so if you are into this at 99 i would not return it i would probably:

- Use it until it breaks and buy the Pi 4 when your core conks out.
- Don't do any firmware updates until it is not doing something you really need it to do
- Put an inline power switch on your USB cable.

Given the low end hardware my gut is leaving it of when not in use may be the better play than letting it just sit, but i dont have any thermal data to support that, just a gut feel. Just know it is not likely to last and there is a good chance it will break in a way that is not recoverable.

Quote from Guy767

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I just updated my firmware yesterday as well and noticed that CoinOpsX is not loading large games now reliably. (IE NeoGeo CPS2).

It will work sometimes but usually when large games try to load, the screen turns black, the main game list shows briefly, black again and then CoinOpsX simply gives up and returns to the main menu.

If I had to guess, the recent firmware takes more system memory and CoinOpsX struggles to find the ram it needs when loading large games. Things worked much better before the update at least.

I find it quicker to simply load the games via the BYOG menu and forgo CoinOpsX altogether. If you sort your game rom sets in separate folders in the UCE folder on your USB stick (Make sure there are no spaces in the folder names), loading from the BYOG menu is not too bad and games load much quicker. As it stands, CoinOpsX is just too slow after the recent firmware update and I find the BYOG option much more efficient.

Overall I'm finding it difficult to enjoy this product. I like the idea, but the implication of its set goals and intended purpose are executed poorly and the system simply doesn't have the power to run things smoothly IMO. (Delay in controls, poor emulation, and CoinOpsX performance being terrible ECT.)

I'm seriously considering returning it but I want to try local BYOG streaming functionality [atgames.net] before I do. In theory, I can install CoinOps on my PC and stream it via the ATgames puck. This will eliminate all of the slow emulation and loading issues as my PC is more than powerful enough to run everything smoothly. Now I just need to find the time to do this...

aparoche

Mar 29, 2021 5:58 PM

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aparocheMar 29, 2021 5:58 PM

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Quote from chrisp7815

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This old expired thread is getting over 10 posts a day, many of which describe what you just posted and ways to fix it.

Link?

user2014

Mar 29, 2021 7:51 PM

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user2014Mar 29, 2021 7:51 PM

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for everyone that says their system performed fine with response time, we need to figure out a way to clearly test this amongst everyone that's interested to see if we are talking about the same thing.

I mean for me all the games are playable, but I am used to getting very high score and actually "know" how to play many of them. Yet, I seem to fail early and die often and I feel its due to delayed response. For example, many side scroll shoot them up/side, adventure type game, there's noticeable lag. Jumps aren't precise and difficult to manage, while you can train yourself to time it better by adjusting to preemptively jump early/hitting button earlier, you CANT react fast enough if a monster surprised you and you need to respond. Many single hit and die become much less enjoyable.

I found this game kiki kaikai to be a good test. I can get to the stage 1 boss, but can't seem to pass him before I get frustrated enough to give up. the movement is lagged just enough, and the single life aspect makes it painful to play.

can you do well in the game kiki kaikai if you claim your response is fine?

i am using Samsung FIT Plus USB 3.1 Flash Drive 128GB - (MUF-128AB/AM), (kiki kaikai is a stock atgames game, so all these are irrelevant) no hub, and tried both wired and wireless.

atoneapone

Mar 29, 2021 8:19 PM

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atoneaponeMar 29, 2021 8:19 PM

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Quote from user2014

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for everyone that says their system performed fine with response time, we need to figure out a way to clearly test this amongst everyone that's interested to see if we are talking about the same thing.
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i am using Samsung FIT Plus USB 3.1 Flash Drive 128GB - (MUF-128AB/AM), (kiki kaikai is a stock atgames game, so all these are irrelevant) no hub, and tried both wired and wireless.

I agree with everything you said in previous post. (I always use wired usb, turning off bluetooth by long pressing P2 down). I only discovered this imperfection in game play yesterday. For a couple weeks, I thought & really hoped we all had the definitive magic bullet, budget arcade stick, with our perfect playable favorite games after the coinops sauce.
I was convinced the problem was the software of puck; after connecting it to MAME on a PC, the improvement was felt. So on PC, it plays perfectly as it should. When you press the fire button response is as instant as pressing keyboard input.
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I was being optimistic (with the potential causes being a usb or hub etc) for everyone who fell in love with the entire Atgames package, and still don't notice the tiniest bit of lag that we have mentioned. It's mainly a problem with the buttons X,Y, A, B, etc. The joystick or trackball don't have as noticeable a lag. The games seem ok and playable the first few minutes you play them and it's exciting giving coinops a spin. But eventually you notice it when games get intense and you need to perform in beat'em up fighting games, shooters, etc.

Last edited by atoneapone March 29, 2021 at 01:26 PM.

aparoche

Mar 29, 2021 8:54 PM

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aparocheMar 29, 2021 8:54 PM

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Ironically, I am using a Samsung Fit USB drive and I haven't noticed any lag/latency when playing games. However, I have a worse issue in which my puck crashes/freezes after 10 minutes of play. Going through AtGames awful support process as we speak...

casetronic

Mar 29, 2021 9:10 PM

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casetronicMar 29, 2021 9:10 PM

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I noticed a slight lag in the beginning but was having other issues to worry about (BT, CoinOps) so the lag was last on my list. My brain might've gotten used to the lag or it doesn't bother me as much anymore. I like playing wireless 20 ft away sitting on my couch - and this is mainly for when family and kids come over for old school co-op play (TMNT, Simpsons, X-Men), those games are all button mashing anyway so a bit of lag is fine. My new Happ sticks come in today, if they improve my fireball/uppercut execution then i'll be a happy camper.

I've got a Tankstick and Pi4 still in box, just been too lazy to set them up so this LGP is perfect for my lazy butt.

NYCHama

Mar 29, 2021 11:23 PM

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NYCHamaMar 29, 2021 11:23 PM

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Quote from FUBARz

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Re-did my whole setup again. Added multiple alphabetized folders to find games quicker using BYOG. The menus/playlists remain the same for coinopsX with all consoles

Can you make a torrent?

JoMo23

Mar 29, 2021 11:37 PM

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JoMo23Mar 29, 2021 11:37 PM

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Quote from user2014

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for everyone that says their system performed fine with response time, we need to figure out a way to clearly test this amongst everyone that's interested to see if we are talking about the same thing.

I mean for me all the games are playable, but I am used to getting very high score and actually "know" how to play many of them. Yet, I seem to fail early and die often and I feel its due to delayed response. For example, many side scroll shoot them up/side, adventure type game, there's noticeable lag. Jumps aren't precise and difficult to manage, while you can train yourself to time it better by adjusting to preemptively jump early/hitting button earlier, you CANT react fast enough if a monster surprised you and you need to respond. Many single hit and die become much less enjoyable.

I found this game kiki kaikai to be a good test. I can get to the stage 1 boss, but can't seem to pass him before I get frustrated enough to give up. the movement is lagged just enough, and the single life aspect makes it painful to play.

can you do well in the game kiki kaikai if you claim your response is fine?

i am using Samsung FIT Plus USB 3.1 Flash Drive 128GB - (MUF-128AB/AM), (kiki kaikai is a stock atgames game, so all these are irrelevant) no hub, and tried both wired and wireless.

I noticed the input lag when my TV wasn't in "Game" mode and the motion interpolation and noise reduction was on for my TV. It was pretty awful. I switched to game mode and turned those off and it's been smooth sailing ever since.

drag0nl0rd

Mar 30, 2021 12:58 AM

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drag0nl0rdMar 30, 2021 12:58 AM

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For those still getting "No Coinopsx files found", I was able to get it to work by using usb hub. I decided to just do the 2 USB setup using a usb hub(non powered) so I can connect the controller with USB. All works fine...I noticed that when it works, there is either a 0 or 5 showing on the coinopsx app instead of just a green check mark. Hope that helps others who are unable to get the 1 usb option to work.

cgwaters

Mar 30, 2021 1:36 AM

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cgwatersMar 30, 2021 1:36 AM

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Quote from maddoghoek100

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Better buy is likely the microcenter console and a Pi 4.

What is the "microcenter console"? I don't see an item by that name on their website.

maddoghoek100

Mar 30, 2021 2:01 AM

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maddoghoek100Mar 30, 2021 2:01 AM

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Quote from cgwaters

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What is the "microcenter console"? I don't see an item by that name on their website.

In their DIY arcade section you will see three options for controllers: no trackball no pi, trackball no pi, and trackball pi. They are atari branded and have solid components and build. No trackball and adding a pi 4 4gb is probably the best combo of price and power. Trackball seems fun, but unless you are a huge golden tee player you aren't going to use I too much. It takes up a lot of real estate.

These at 99 on clearance are fine, but at full retail microcenter is clear winner and a pi 4 is way more capable.

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maddoghoek100

Mar 30, 2021 2:05 AM

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maddoghoek100Mar 30, 2021 2:05 AM

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Quote from aparoche

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Ironically, I am using a Samsung Fit USB drive and I haven't noticed any lag/latency when playing games. However, I have a worse issue in which my puck crashes/freezes after 10 minutes of play. Going through AtGames awful support process as we speak...

Good luck to you. Their support is indeed terrible. In all likelihood they will yell you to return it to walmart.

cgwaters

Mar 30, 2021 2:26 AM

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cgwatersMar 30, 2021 2:26 AM

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Any recommendations for a USB 3.0 hub for use with the puck? Brand, Powered vs Unpowered, etc?

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