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120Hz isn't just for gaming either. I wish people recognized that.
Most TV/Movie content is 24p (Hz).
60Hz TVs can't display 24p content w/o using 3:2 pulldown...which creates judder. 24Hz divides cleanly into 120Hz...no conversion.
All else equal, a 60Hz TV will never look as good as a 120Hz TV for almost all video content. It technically can't.
Now if the price is right, it might be good enough for someone (maybe those Switch players?)
If I'm spending extra bucks to get the best PQ I can (by buying OLED to begin with)...I'm not going to cheap out and get a 60Hz one personally.
Panel type OLED evo Display OLED 4K OLED 4K
Refresh rate 120Hz 120Hz 60Hz
Processor ฮฑ9 Gen 4 ฮฑ9 Gen 4 ฮฑ7 Gen 4
Audio 4.2 Ch / 60W 2.2 Ch / 40W 2.0 Ch / 20W
HDMI ports 4 HDMI 2.1 4 HDMI 2.1 3 HDMI 2.0
LG G1 OLED LG C1 OLED LG A1 OLED
ALLM Y Y Y
VRR Y Y N
Nvidia G-Sync Y Y N
AMD FreeSync Y Y N
Series Sizes (inches)
A1 77, 65, 55, 48
C1 83, 77, 65, 55, 48
G1 77, 65, 55
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I have NEVER seen the C1 for that low, even the 48", and I've been eyeing that set all year.
This thread here back in October states $1099 is the best deal the 48" C1 has ever been: https://slickdeals.net/f/15353809-55-lg-oled55c1pub-4k-smart-oled-tv-120-ebay-credit-4-yr-warranty-1299-free-shipping?src=Si
Are you sure it wasn't a CX or something?
120Hz isn't just for gaming either. I wish people recognized that.
Most TV/Movie content is 24p (Hz).
60Hz TVs can't display 24p content w/o using 3:2 pulldown...which creates judder. 24Hz divides cleanly into 120Hz...no conversion.
All else equal, a 60Hz TV will never look as good as a 120Hz TV for almost all video content. It technically can't.
Now if the price is right, it might be good enough for someone (maybe those Switch players?)
If I'm spending extra bucks to get the best PQ I can (by buying OLED to begin with)...I'm not going to cheap out and get a 60Hz one personally.
Since modern flat screen TV's don't depend on phosphors tuned for 60 Hz scan rates, as long as the electronics support it, native 24 fps is completely doable on any LCD / OLED flat panel that supports 60 fps refresh rates.
Edit: According to the spec section of the user manual on the OLED48A1PUA.AUS support page it supports 1080p and 2160p 24 fps inputs.
https://www.lg.com/us/support/pro...8A1PUA.AU
I have NEVER seen the C1 for that low, even the 48", and I've been eyeing that set all year.
This thread here back in October states $1099 is the best deal the 48" C1 has ever been: https://slickdeals.net/f/15353809-55-lg-oled55c1pub-4k-smart-oled-tv-120-ebay-credit-4-yr-warranty-1299-free-shipping?src=Si
Are you sure it wasn't a CX or something?
Maybe he bought an open box 48CX :-)
Stay away from the A1 series. All the B, C, & G series are more or less the same, all have 120hz panels, Free sync, other gaming features, etc. Most go for the C series, but if you want the sleek wall mount of the G, it is pretty nice (the G is the slimmest of the series and mounts pretty much flush to the wall). Or the B series has just a small amount of differences making it a lower model (not as bright, etc.) but it is still a great set.
Not sure if any specifically have GSync, but with Freesync it is probably at the least GSync compatible.
Rtings.com is a good resource to compare sets and to read about the features in general. Here is the C1 and G1 compared (the 1 series is the current generation, basically 11, as the last generation was X (or 10), and the one before that was 9 series).
https://www.rtings.com/tv/tools/c...shold=0.10
Here I just looked at the CX quick and they had this to say:
The LG C1 OLED supports FreeSync and HDMI Forum VRR and is NVIDIA-certified as G-SYNC compatible, and we didn't experience any issues. To enable VRR, turn on Game Optimizer and make sure VRR and G-Sync is toggled for G-SYNC and HDMI Forum and AMD FreeSync Premium is 'On' for FreeSync. Like the LG CX OLED, the VRR range is extended to a minimum of 20Hz when using an HDMI 2.1 source. With HDMI 2.0, it begins at 40Hz.
1) How objectionable judder is depends on content+motion and also how sensitive an individual is to it. I'm a huge video geek and only notice it on slow pans. It just doesn't bother my eyes/brain me for some reason, and I think most people feel the same way.
2) Streaming is the most popular way to watch movies and TV shows today, and a lot of streaming content, even when it's originally recorded at 24Hz, is streamed at 60Hz with 3:2 pulldown executed before it even gets to the TV. I did some experimenting on my new 4K Fire TV Stick max. Only the Prime Video app actually adjusted the frame rate to match the original source. All other apps I tested - Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, etc all sent 60Hz to the TV. I've noticed this on other streaming devices as well. In this case, it doesn't matter whether your TV is 60Hz or 120Hz, it would look exactly the same.
I'm one of those that notices motion defects (and well just about any other visual defect).
OLEDs already are plagued with Stutter, so adding Judder (which manifests itself similarly) simply worsens performance. High vertical contrast panning scenes reveal this quite impressively. OLEDs can actually create strobing if all motion smoothing is disabled.
OLEDs utilize motion smoothing to deal with this Stutter, but at the cost of increased 'Soap Opera effect'. It ends up a pick-your-poison situation. Personally I apply just enough smoothing to tame the Stutter...but its still there on those panning scenes that are just right.
Just like processors in cell phones, TV's also come with ones that do worse or better...including their motion smoothing ability.
The A1 has an inferior processor to the C1. Couple guaranteed Stutter with additional Jutter on some sources, and its further reason to avoid the A1 unless you are fortunate enough to be immune to motion artifacts.
Regarding streaming Hz: I suspected some services might have conversion upfront, but wouldn't the same result apply? Degraded performance of the original source. Perhaps that makes it unavoidable on some streams which is disappointing.
It is still somewhat surprising since 60Hz streaming must use more bandwidth that 24Hz streaming. From a cost perspective, one would presume streamers would be conscious of minimizing their bandwidth and their computation power. Ultimately, profit matters. Maybe those that do convert value compatibility more?
Since modern flat screen TV's don't depend on phosphors tuned for 60 Hz scan rates, as long as the electronics support it, native 24 fps is completely doable on any LCD / OLED flat panel that supports 60 fps refresh rates.
Edit: According to the spec section of the user manual on the OLED48A1PUA.AUS support page it supports 1080p and 2160p 24 fps inputs.
https://www.lg.com/us/support/pro...8A1PUA.AUS [lg.com]
Most (all?) modern TVs support 24p...via conversion. For instance, 120Hz TVs display 'frame 1' five times, then 'frame 2' five times. 60Hz panels can't do that, so they show 'frame 1' 3X, then 'frame 2' 2X, and onward.
I'm highly suspect of any 120Hz panel truly, natively supporting 24fps. What would be the point, beyond added cost? I wager its a marketing gambit as there is 'equal conversion' occurring, so one could call it pure or un-manipulated or whatever. You get equal frame-by-frame output..which renders true, native 24p playback moot. I doubt any OLED panel is truly refreshing 24X per second. I did a quick search and couldn't find anything contradicting this.
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I only calibrate for casual purposes and use an i1 DisplayPro and DisplayCal. In DisplayCal there is a tick box for 'White Drift Compensation' which is suggested for Plasma and OLED displays. Then set your PC to autoload the generated profile on start-up.
https://www.viewsonic.c