Power Tool Sets: RYOBI ONE+ 18V 6-Tool Combo Kit + 2x 1.5Ah & 4.0Ah Battery $169 & More + Free S/H

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If anyone will check, battery powered brushless tools always have more power in watt hours out than the brushed predecessor it replaced... while using less amperage to make that power that then corresponds to battery longevity between charges. Everyplace there is a contact, like with brushes, you are losing current through resistance that adds up.

No more and no less, it is simple physics and absolutely not a pizzing match.

Reciprocating, circular, chain, etc. saws, trimmers and other yard tools, etc., all benefit from brushless motors. On a ladder, on a roof, down the drive, etc., I don't want to carry another 4 to 8 amp battery as a backup if I don't have to. And if I am paying the labor, the less times they are up and down a ladder to exchange batteries, the less that job costs. Granted, sometimes I will put batteries in a bucket and tie off a rope to drag up later if needed, but labor does not always think ahead, or 'that is what an apprentice is for' that still costs money.

Then there is the resale value, where you almost cannot give away a brushed battery tool unless the buyer knows little about tools. Besides Ryobi deals that could go away, extra batteries are not cheap. Even I have collected those cheap 4amp Ryobi batteries for lights as about the only Ryobi tool that holds up in a commercial usage environment.

Now, on corded tools, there is no rush to convert to brushless that for now, costs more to build and on the surface, not much advantage for a tool that already does the job as long the outlet has power. But, if one lets the carbon brushes wear down to the point the metal retainer contacts the armature, that tool is basically junk. And with multiple users, that happens too often.

The conclusion is yes, I am ready for brushless everything and happy to pay the extra $10 to $15 when brushes cost $10 or so delivered for maintenance before the tool is ruined. If you are an occasional user and buy the cheapest tools you can, then disregard the above. Those tools are already throwaway tools and typically priced accordingly.

PS: "Expert" is very, very subjective and objective.

Thanks for proving my point. LOL.

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Perhaps you should research 'Cognitive disorder.'

Hint: The first clue was your chosen ID.

Aww, did I hurt your feelings? Show me on the doll where xtrabad was not nice. https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima.../emot-LMAO.gif

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Hurt my feelings? ... lol... I deal with idiots and cognitive disorders every day and being quite confident that I have already forgotten more than you will ever know about tools, there is no reason to feed you further.

Enjoy!

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Milwaukee is by far the superior build that you will pay more for.


Nevertheless, Ryobi is perfectly fine for the occasional user for most around the house jobs and much, much more economical on deals from DTO and HD. Other than lights and a few other items, Ryobi power tools are not to be found on commercial job sites because they do not hold up.... nor were they designed for that usage.

Like all things mechanical, if you don't abuse by using more than about 80% of capability, most will last a long time.

This is pretty much what I was saying. I'm not a contractor or professional mechanic but Ryobi stuff will be my best value purchase for using at home working on cars, building furniture etc. Especially if I get the One+ HP stuff where it counts. However my dad IS a full time mechanic and he really likes the Ryobi stuff he has. Was a cheap and worth the money upgrade from his aging and tiny DeWalt stuff he had. I'm still debating on if I want to get us into the MW ecosystem or not since it tends to be as much for one MW tool as it would cost you for a full set of the HP Ryobi tools.

As far as the 80% of capability thing, while it's still in warranty I'm gonna push the tool to it's limits. If it survives I know what I have, if it breaks I know what the actual limit is https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...ilies/wink.gif

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While we are just having an adult discussion, I think it all comes down to affordability and if whatever will do the job for that individual. If for production and profit, then of course I will buy whatever that makes sense to that end.

I still use a lot of corded tools and will continue to do so as absolutely more bang for the buck with normally more available and consistent power if using in the same location. As an example, I have never seen a valid reason to use a battery powered sander (or much of anything else) in the shop, when there are three or four corded ones on the shelf. I get it that off grid folks don't have much of a choice, but most people do... for now.

Meanwhile, batteries have a limited number of cycles and each time you cycle one, the closer to being worn out it becomes. Perhaps there is also a longevity to lithium batteries, but I have had surplus new DeWalt 20v on the shelf for a couple years or longer that does not seem to affect them.

Today's warranties are a lot longer than they used to be, or as with Ridgid LSA, a lifetime of whatever that means. 80% of mechanical capability is just a rule of thumb before something is being abused. Your tools, do what you want, but it may break a month after that warranty runs out. https://static.slickdealscdn.com/ima...lies/smile.gif

100% adult discussion I'm not even slightly 'upset' lol.

I'm starting to have a pretty decent Ryobi battery 'backlog' myself since everything comes with batteries or is cheaper with a combo deal. As long as you store them at 50% ish charge lithium cells last for a good while if they're not being temperature cycled. This 'generation' of cordless tools is so much better than the last one with the NIMH batteries. You even get better performance from some cordless stuff than you do cheaper corded things. Not all the time but more often than you'd think.

I do agree not everything needs to be cordless. I won't get the cordless miter saw or anything like that because like you said, you'll get better performance from a corded one and with wood working you usually don't have to be very far from your shop or station. I prefer the oomph from a corded circular saw, but can see the benefit of being able to have one on a roof to trim up a board or roof tile.

I'm sure my useage will rarely push any of these to their absolute limits since I drive small cars and don't own any large equiptment. As far as the warranty goes, if I get 3 years of useage from it and it breaks, I got my $100 worth, and by then there will be an updated/bigger/better/badder version out.