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2023 Tesla Model 3 w/ 3 Months Supercharging + $7500 Federal Tax Credit

(For Qualifying Buyers)

from $37830

$40,240

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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

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  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

Editor's Notes

Written by qwikwit | Staff
  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
  • Get 1%-5% cash back on deals like this with a cash back credit card. Compare the available cash back credit cards here.

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Eagles89
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You forgot to mention the $1390 destination fee, $425 for wall connector, $230 for mobile charger, $250 non-refundable order fee.
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Tesla Model 3 RWD starts at $40,240 but is now eligible for the full $7,500 federal tax credit (income limits apply). Previously, it was only eligible for $3,750. This makes the starting price $32,740 after tax credit.

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design

Deal is even sweeter if you live in a state with additional credits:

VT: $26,320
MA: $26,830
PA: $27,330
RI: $27,820
DE: $27,820
NY: $28,320
CA: $28,330
CO: $28,330
CT: $29,030
ME: $29,320

Full tax credit details below, but the following income limits apply:

$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...3-or-after
Knightshade
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NO IT DOES NOT.

Withholding is totally irrelevant to qualifying for the credit.

If you're unclear on this go read a 1040.

The part where you compute tax liability is lines 16 through 24.

THAT is where the $7500 EV credit comes off.

Your withholdings aren't even looked at until after that on line 25+







This is also not correct.

The Child Tax Credit is worth a maximum of $2,000 per qualifying child. Up to $1,600 is refundable for the 2023 tax year.

Refundable credits are computed AFTER non-refundable ones-- so the CTC is only "worth" $400 off your tax burden for these purposes- the $1600 left is refundable.

Thus if you had say $7900 in tax burden and one CTC and one EV credit, your tax burden would go to $0 and you'd get a full refund of the $1600 refundable part of the CTC


Source:
https://www.nerdwallet.com/articl...tax-credit

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Tesla is no longer a "car to be owned by rich" and no more a brand to feel proud about! Most people especially brought tesla in 2022 definitely scammed by Elon Musk and co.
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Quote from czytm :
I think you can, separately there is a sales tax credit: https://dor.wa.gov/taxes-rates/ta...ograms#922 [wa.gov]

EDIT to add, this also applies to used purchases
https://data.wa.gov/Transportatio.../hsbt-ipx7

this is showing that Model Y and Model S can get sales tax exemption, i am confused now
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HW4 doesn't matter for FSD. Think about it, FSD was promised with hardware that was 6 years old. It's not the hardware that's hindering it's rollout. Comma AI has capabilities that exceed Tesla with less hardware.
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I'm holding for $25k.
Yeah 💎 hand hold tight buddy💪
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Quote from calidiy :
Tesla is no longer a "car to be owned by rich" and no more a brand to feel proud about! Most people especially brought tesla in 2022 definitely scammed by Elon Musk and co.
Why was he scamming? The supply chain was strangulated. Between CA new rules on freight trucks, shortage of parts, the whole industry as a whole went higher. He is the only one lowering prices versus all the other ones that are too greedy or not lean enough to do so. The other manufacturers are scamming, he is just going with the market. High interest, lower demand, will lead to lower sales. And he knows a car making 2k profit is better than a car seating on the lot because the manufacturer wants 10k profit.
The scam is using tax payers money for this nonsense that is polluting as much as ICE cars
Yet nobody is outraged that instead of using the funds for meaningful social programs we use it on EV cars . EV cars that cant tow, cant off road, cant give you the range for cross country trips.
You are just upset he is biting the hand that fed him and he doesnt pander to the left
And now he just rented his charging station to Ford. And he is selling EPA credits to big ones ( Mopar ) so they still make V8 ICE trucks. He is taking advantage of tools given to him by some that were too eager to push an agenda without a good planning
Like it or not he is playing a rigged game and he wins.
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Quote from Binar :
do you have any numbers to back it up? I knoe EV market is greeping up and you said "most ppl" are repeat buyers which contradicts the real numbers
Dude...don't feed the fake news trolls.

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Quote from HarrisonK1588 :
Withholding isn't irrelevant,
Except, it is.

Literally no matter the amount of your withholding you get to use the same amount of the EV credit.

Withheld $0? Withheld $50,000? SAME value of the EV credit you're able to use.

Because withholding is irrelevant to that question.

Yuo don't even look at the withholding amount until after you've finished all the work/math on the 1040 related to the EV credit.

So bringing up withholding simply confuses people.... see again the dozen or two posts in this thread alone where that exact thing has confused people.




Quote from jcbose :
Agreed, and as I understand it, the tax credit is not exactly a cash return of the same amount. For example, with 7500 tax credit, one can get back may be 1500 or 2000 back during tax return. It depends on the individual tax situation at the end of the year.
This is not correct- you are confusing a deduction with a credit.



Quote from triggerhappy007 :
It's your tax liability. Look on line 24 of your tax form.
Line 24 is after you've listed refundable credits-- it's better to start with line 16, since you'd want to apply the EV credit BEFORE any refundable ones.



Quote from Msdstc :
So my tax total on line 24 is 5000… does that mean I qualify for a 5k rebate?
Assuming you had no OTHER (refundable) credits between line 16 and 24 yes.

If you did, then take those out and see what the # is without refundable credits. Whatever higher # that is, up to $7500, you get that much of the EV credit.
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Quote from StankNasty411 :
Wonder when we start seeing new housing construction with detachable garages given EV fire risks that are far more dangerous than traditional ICE. Homeowners policies should come with escalators for EV ownership, but I'm sure they'll be subsidized across other policyholders for another 5 years until every manufacturer switches to EV/hybrid only options.
Overall, EVs are about 0.3 percent likely to ignite, versus a 1.05 percent likelihood for gas cars, according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and the National Transportation Safety Board.
Your jacked up F150 go boom.
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Quote from burntorangehorn :
I...don't get the rationale. Still, driving my 2010 Honda ICE until it breaks is technically the most environmentally responsible course, so it's my plan until and unless an EV deal knocks my socks off.
Exactly. The amount of practically new cars being shipped to Africa from USA is unprecedented. Ofc not all due to EV, but it's a lot.
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Whew... a LOT of misinformation to correct overnight- consolidating into one place:

Quote from FLASH6 :
You should never pay a "destination fee" only if they're delivering it directly to your house. A dealer has already paid this fee and shouldn't pass it onto you.

Every new car sold in the US is charged a destination fee to the buyer as required by federal law.


Quote from nova_and_onyx :
How did the full tax credit become available again?

I already cited part of the law that might explain it back on like page 2 or 3 of the thread... there's a couple of possible ways, but that's one of them (essentially the law allows you to average sourcing across all cars of a specific model made in the same factory-- and since the required % is only 40-50% this year it's possible for them to qualify for the full credit this way for a chunk of the year.)

Quote from StankNasty411 :
Wonder when we start seeing new housing construction with detachable garages given EV fire risks that are far more dangerous than traditional ICE.

Grossly false.

ICE cars catch on fire far more often than EVs.

And Hybrids, as always, are the worst of both worlds, catching on fire even more often than ICE.





Quote from Mytaxtrial :
This doesn't not qualify for a 7500 reduction. Check the IRS website updated 6/1
The updated info from Tesla about them qualifying was published on 6/2.

The IRS gets their info from the car makers who all have to certify to the IRS what qualifies and how much-- so IRS has not updated the website yet to reflect the new info from Tesla


Quote from Vigilante375 :
You have that backwards. Per the IRS, an electric sedan over $55k gets $3750. So that means the RWD model 3 gets $7500 unless it's fully optioned out. The model 3 performance gets $7500 as well but only if it's under $55k before adding options.
.

This, too, is wrong. A sedan over 55k gets nothing - it's a hard price cap.

There is no set of options that can put the RWD Model 3 above that cap (software options do not count toward the price for tax credit purposes federally)



Quote from java568 :
You don't cut prices three times in less than three months if you're not worried about sales.
The last price change on the base Model 3 was actually a $250 increase

Tesla adjusts prices multiple times a year to reflect various things- but sales continue to increase every quarter-- for years and years now.


Quote from emofals :
This or the Chevy EV? Difference of around $12000 worth it? Or saving of around $12000 might be realized?
From the bolt thread currently going on it appears it is....very challenging...to find a base model Bolt that doesn't have 10k or more of dealer markup.... If you ARE able to find one (and you're ok with the base model) then the price difference is worth considering.

If you're only able to find heavily optioned or marked up ones, perhaps not so much.


Quote from kemiset :
Beware of the range. Though the given range is 270 miles or so (RWD), you hardly get even 200 miles (long drive)on a full charge and even less if you drive in the city. This is no matter how well you drive.
Outright false-- debunked not just by EPA testing but owners right here in the thread (and tons of other places)



Quote from basscow :
I just need a simple answer here. If I always get back money every year for my taxes. I don't claim anything. Will that negate the tax credit? meaning it is useless for me?
Your refund is not informative. Look at line 16 of your 1040. Whatever that number is, the $7500 EV credit reduces it dollar for dollar until you run out of credit or you hit 0. If you have any OTHER non-refundable credits those would do the same.... and if you hit 0 and still have non-refundable credit left over then you lose the remainder.

Your withholdings, and refund, aren't even considered until later on the tax form.
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Quote from George_P_Burdell :
Is the QC any improved? I'm planning to take Mach E delivery then this news appears lol. It's too sweet for $30k versus MachE at $42k after rebates (base)
We have a model y and a Mach e extended AWD. I prefer the Ford over the Tesla. Build quality is better and road/wind noise is almost non-existent at 80mph+ on the Ford, vs you start hearing it on the Tesla at around 50-60.
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Cheaper than a Camry or Accord
Won't last as long as one though
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Quote from Sdeals18 :
Won't last as long as one though

True, it'll last longer.

Far fewer moving parts to fail, far less routine maintenance required (and that would lead to failures if neglected), lower TCO, electric motors far more reliable than gasoline engines and multi-speed transmissions, longer powertrain warranty, etc...
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Tesla is the king of EV !!!
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Quote from Knightshade :
True, it'll last longer.

Far fewer moving parts to fail, far less routine maintenance required (and that would lead to failures if neglected), lower TCO, electric motors far more reliable than gasoline engines and multi-speed transmissions, longer powertrain warranty, etc...
You realize Tesla is ranked as one of the least reliable car brands? Both the Camry and accord are the standard when it comes to reliable cars that can easily last 20+ years.
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