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Acer Predator Helios Neo: 16" QHD+ 165Hz, i7-13700HX, RTX 4060, 16GB DDR5, 1TB SSD Expired

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Best Buy has Acer Predator Helios Neo Laptop (PHN16-71-73LT) on sale for $999.99. Shipping is free, alternatively, store pickup is free.

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  • 16" 2560x1600 16:10 165Hz 500 nits IPS Display
  • Intel Core i7 i7-13700HX Hexadeca-core 16-Core 2.10 GHz Processor
  • Nvidia GeForce RTX 4060 8GB GDDR6 Graphics
  • 16GB DDR5 4800MHz RAM
  • 1TB NVMe PCIe NVMe Solid State Drive
  • Wi-Fi 6 AX 1650i
  • RGB Backlit Keyboard
  • 4-cell 90Whr Battery
  • Weight: 6.17 lb
  • Ports:
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen 1 Type-A Port
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A Ports
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C Ports
    • 1x HDMI
    • 1x RJ-45
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Key Specs
Screen Type
IPS
Screen Size
16 inches
Screen Resolution
2560 x 1600
Touch Screen
No
Refresh Rate
165Hz
Brightness
500 nits
Processor Model
Intel 13th Generation Core i7
CPU Base Clock Frequency
5 gigahertz
Storage Type
SSD
Total Storage Capacity
1000 gigabytes
System Memory (RAM)
16 gigabytes
Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4060
Display Connector(s)
2 x Thunderbolt 4, 1 x HDMI 2.1
Battery Type
Lithium-ion
Backlit Keyboard
Yes
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Solid Deal, the other laptops in those links either have an old gen intel processor, slower ryzen processors, ddr4 instead of ddr5 for that Tuf laptop, worse screen, etc. Rtx 4070 vs 4060 on a laptop is only a 10% difference in speed at best.
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Wow. A significantly weaker cpu at the same price. What a steal.
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PeteyTheStriker
12-09-2023 at 12:25 AM.
12-09-2023 at 12:25 AM.
Quote from MellowTank733 :
What are people talking about saying the intel is significantly weaker?
Both the Intel i7-13700HX and AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS are almost exactly the same..
the i7 has 16 cores vs 8 on Ryzen (but it's not REALLY all 16 cores being used)

CPU BENCHMARKS [cpubenchmark.net]

This deal is $999.99 for the Intel cpu + RTX 4060 + 1tb ssd,
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Walmart $1029.99 for for the Ryzen cpu + RTX 4070 + 516gb ssd.

RTX 4060 vs RTX 4070 difference is 10% at most.
Intel cpu is slightly better and you get 1tb SSD instead of 512gb.

$30 more for 50% less storage, 10% better gpu, and slightly worse cpu?
or $30 less for 50% more storage, 10% worse gpu, and slightly better cpu?
10% would be the bare minimum on all things equal not the max.... Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5drb9Dbe_ag

So yes the 4070 is worth it if your main interest is in a more capable gaming laptop. Especially at $30 more...
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SharpClover249
12-09-2023 at 04:27 AM.
12-09-2023 at 04:27 AM.
Quote from dwellwisely :
How is the fan noise on this? Looking for a fast but quiet machine for music production. Thanks.

Ahh it's noisy but not effecting me. I use same one with 4050 versions. Screen excellent, no tons of bloatware, screen is very good bright and MS is good. Keyboard is weak side, buttons are like membrane smushing, after using mec kb while doesn't like it at all. Easy open and upgrade to ssd and ram. Power brick is kind a big but good. You can set up silent mode with couple buttons. You can setup 3 monitors on it. If you have display-link adapter it can go up to 5-6. IO is well enough for anyone. I picked up this for build quality. All hp omens and especially asus tuf series are super cheap materials. I highly recommend to go bestbuy and check material quality. Acer is really good. Tuf asus are worst than any machine.
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leechungsr
12-09-2023 at 07:29 AM.
12-09-2023 at 07:29 AM.
This is not slick. 4060 can barely push this resolution
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rruff
12-09-2023 at 08:11 AM.
12-09-2023 at 08:11 AM.
Quote from MellowTank733 :
What are people talking about saying the intel is significantly weaker?
Both the Intel i7-13700HX and AMD Ryzen 7 7735HS are almost exactly the same..
I'm not sure why you say that, per the link you gave (and every place that has tested both) the 13700HX is *much* faster than the 7735HS.

But... the HX processors are missing some power saving features and tend to have poor battery life. You also need a good cooling system to get the most out of the CPU.

But they have another benefit which is UV/OC capability, provided that the manufacturer allows it. Many lock it out, though. EDIT: It appears that Acer locks it out, and most do, as a response to Intel's UV protection. https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/co...ole_story/

The 7735HS shows up a lot on SD. It's a rebadged last gen 8-core and it's slow but power efficient. It isn't the greatest processor to pair with a gaming laptop. My preference would be an AMD with a 4 in the 3rd digit (like a 7840HS, or 7940HS) or an Intel 13th gen that ends with an H.
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12-09-2023 at 08:45 AM.
12-09-2023 at 08:45 AM.
Quote from dwellwisely :
How is the fan noise on this? Looking for a fast but quiet machine for music production. Thanks.
Anyone's random experience will be useless to you, as fan noise, performance, and temperature vary depending on settings and whether the your software uses the GPU or CPU.

It's a fairly low budget gaming laptop with a high powered CPU, so if it doesn't get very loud at max settings, then it would be a weird design. But you can make it quiet if you want. The question is how fast it is when it's quiet.

If music production is your life, you will get more performance with less noise with a higher end machine. If it's a hobby, this one will probably serve you well.

Here is a comprehensive review by Jarrod. He addresses power levels and noise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kch1PY6XcmQ

EDIT: I did some research and it appears that music production software tends to barely use the graphic processor, so the optimum laptop for this wouldn't even have a dedicated GPU. The best would be one that has fastest CPU and has the cooling to run it at full speed. At any rate, this laptop would pretty good in this regard.
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CoolAlpaca551
12-09-2023 at 11:31 AM.
12-09-2023 at 11:31 AM.
Damn, this would be a great buy if it had a 4070 instead of the 4060.
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AdamH4875
12-09-2023 at 12:32 PM.
12-09-2023 at 12:32 PM.
Quote from leechungsr :
This is not slick. 4060 can barely push this resolution
^^^This^^^

If you plan on using this unit's screen for most of your gaming, accept the fact that you'll rarely get over 60 frames per second on modern games. Last of Us barely comes in at 60 FPS with settings on 'High'.

This should have been a 1080p rig, full stop. It is what it is.
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rruff
12-09-2023 at 01:14 PM.
12-09-2023 at 01:14 PM.
Quote from AdamH4875 :
If you plan on using this unit's screen for most of your gaming, accept the fact that you'll rarely get over 60 frames per second on modern games. Last of Us barely comes in at 60 FPS with settings on 'High'.
Don't DLSS and FSR fix that problem? And these are supported in Last of Us.

Otherwise you can tweak the settings to get the frames you want, or... how about integer scaling? Would be 1280x800 then.

At any rate, a 4070 generally is ~15% faster than a 4060, and the vram is the same, so likely you'd have issues with that nearly as often.
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12-09-2023 at 02:32 PM.
12-09-2023 at 02:32 PM.
Quote from Dradingo :
This for $860 or the other 4060 but worse parts for $610?
how are you getting it for $860?
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12-09-2023 at 05:09 PM.
12-09-2023 at 05:09 PM.
Quote from dwellwisely :
How is the fan noise on this? Looking for a fast but quiet machine for music production. Thanks.
the laptop has a few modes one is quiet... on turbo the fan is kind of loud but I have the spkrs cranked, or headphones on....and for normal eco mode its quiet
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12-09-2023 at 07:58 PM.
12-09-2023 at 07:58 PM.
Quote from CoolAlpaca551 :
Damn, this would be a great buy if it had a 4070 instead of the 4060.
There is a minor difference between the 4060 and 4070, both are 128 bit memory bus with 8GB VRAM, the 4070 simply has more cuda cores, its about 15% faster on average. Anything the 4070 will run, the 4060 will also run.
Not as big a difference as you'd think, since usually the mobile xx70 series has always had a wider memory bus and significantly more performance vs the xx60 variants, not so this season.
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12-09-2023 at 08:27 PM.
12-09-2023 at 08:27 PM.
Quote from rruff :
Don't DLSS and FSR fix that problem? And these are supported in Last of Us.

Otherwise you can tweak the settings to get the frames you want, or... how about integer scaling? Would be 1280x800 then.

At any rate, a 4070 generally is ~15% faster than a 4060, and the vram is the same, so likely you'd have issues with that nearly as often.
You can check the side-by-side comparisons on YouTube, showing DLSS on and off, on a variety of games. They showed "DLSS quality" on Last of Us, so maybe that was FSR? Either way, it couldn't meaningfully maintain 60fps.

DLSS on @ 1440p never came close to making the difference in the testing I saw, especially when you factor in the 165hz panel. Could med-low settings even max out this panel at 1440p? I don't think it could. Something to consider.
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12-10-2023 at 06:36 AM.
12-10-2023 at 06:36 AM.
Quote from rruff :
Anyone's random experience will be useless to you, as fan noise, performance, and temperature vary depending on settings and whether the your software uses the GPU or CPU.

It's a fairly low budget gaming laptop with a high powered CPU, so if it doesn't get very loud at max settings, then it would be a weird design. But you can make it quiet if you want. The question is how fast it is when it's quiet.

If music production is your life, you will get more performance with less noise with a higher end machine. If it's a hobby, this one will probably serve you well.

Here is a comprehensive review by Jarrod. He addresses power levels and noise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kch1PY6XcmQ

EDIT: I did some research and it appears that music production software tends to barely use the graphic processor, so the optimum laptop for this wouldn't even have a dedicated GPU. The best would be one that has fastest CPU and has the cooling to run it at full speed. At any rate, this laptop would pretty good in this regard.
Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's "my life". What you are saying about the GPU is generally correct, except since this year more and more AI-based tools are being integrated into the production cycle, which means a good GeForce card is very welcome (but not essential, since those are -- currently, but probably not in the future -- not real-time tasks. For regular production/mixing I'd want the most powerful CPU that can run at acceptably low noise levels. So, the question really boils down to whether *HX CPU would make any sense above the *H CPU, since the former's higher performance comes at the cost of higher power consumption/thermals. I don't know whether the max performance mode on e.g. i7-13000H/HX is sufficiently quiet (depends on laptop design I suppose?), and what the actual performance of an econo mode on i7-13700HX is.
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12-10-2023 at 05:44 PM.
12-10-2023 at 05:44 PM.
Quote from dwellwisely :
TI don't know whether the max performance mode on e.g. i7-13000H/HX is sufficiently quiet (depends on laptop design I suppose?), and what the actual performance of an econo mode on i7-13700HX is.
It's made for raw horsepower, and is not terribly efficient, and it's not at the top of the heap for CPU performance either. Per Jarrod's tests this laptop is able to run the CPU at 95W constantly as I recall (look up to make sure) and cool it well enough. I think this is pretty good. Meaning that if you slowed it down enough to be quiet it would still perform well. AMD processors are more efficient though and could be configured to run quiet and fast more easily.

I'm probably confusing you, so let me explain better. The main thing making noise is the fans... specifically fans running at high RPM. So ideally what you want is laptop that a) has a fast CPU and b) has a very good cooling system... which is usually proven by the ability to run the CPU at high power levels (and speeds) continuously.

Usually laptop tests will use the the Cinebench R23 benchmark for raw CPU performance, and this is probably as good as any for your use case. So when looking at reviews, you'd want to know the score when it's in "quiet mode" or something similar. If that isn't given then comparing at max is good enough... that tells you how good the cooling is, and you can always tune them slower.

Creator laptops might be a better place to look. There have been some deals posted on Asus Vivobook lately as one example. They have graphic cards, so you can take advantage of any benefits that would give you, but they don't have as strong cooling as most gaming laptops. However they are biased more towards the CPU which is what you want.

For instance... and I posted some reviews there, but didn't really look at them: https://slickdeals.net/f/17151886-asus-vivobook-pro-16-16-3-2k-oled-120hz-i9-13900h-rtx-4060-16gb-ddr5-1tb-ssd-w-affirm-1299-99?v=1&p=167916532&comment=success#post167916532

If it looks good to you, I'll take a more detailed look later...
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12-11-2023 at 08:54 AM.
12-11-2023 at 08:54 AM.
Quote from dwellwisely :
Thanks for the reply. Yes, it's "my life".
This one is much more in line with what you need. It will quietly run the very powerful CPU at max power, but there are some downsides, like poor battery life. Check the reviews I linked. https://slickdeals.net/f/17153347-asus-vivobook-pro-16x-oled-16-3-2k-120hz-oled-i9-13980hx-rtx-4060-16gb-ddr5-1tb-gen4-ssd-win11h-1499-99-w-affirm-checkout?v=1
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