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Eco-Worthy LiFePO4 Batteries: 12V 50Ah Battery $96, 12V 30Ah Battery

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Eco-Worthy-US via eBay has select Eco-Worthy LiFePO4 Lithium Iron Phosphate Multi-Purpose Batteries on sale for the prices listed below when you apply Extra 20% Off coupon code SPRINGSAVE20 at checkout. Shipping is free.

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  • About this deal:
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      • eco-worthy-us (8,948 feedback rating)
      • 98.2% Positive feedback
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      • 30 day returns (Buyer pays for return shipping).
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Mar 11, 2024 7:31 PM
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timsyMar 11, 2024 7:31 PM
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Quote from Cobalt_Blue_FF View quoted comment :
Very stupid question time and I will take my lashings as long as I get at least one non stupid answer Smilie

Kids ride-on toys typically use SLA style batteries, vs ebikes which use Lithium Ion batteries.

Where in that spectrum do these LiFePO4 batteries fall? Can you upgrade a kids ride-on car with one of these as long as you match voltage? Similar question for using these on a full fledged e-bike. I have dabbled with both building ebikes as well as modding my kids ride-on toys. But I cannot for the life of me figure out if these LiFePO4 style batteries are similar to either technology.

Alternatively, could these be used to replace the 12v battery in my RV?
For the RV:
1. Ignore all the advice in this thread: some very bad ideas and mis-understandings. For research, maybe try https://diysolarforum.com/
2. You need to put a DC-DC converter with a current limiter between the alternator and the LiFePo4 battery bank. LiFePo4 will continuously draw very high current and overheat or burn out the alternator.
3. You cannot safely charge LiFePo4 batteries below freezing. You need a separate monitor to turn off the charging and/or a warming pad to bring them up to temp. If you don't camp in the winter, then no problem.
4. The RV starting battery very likely draws too much current when starting. Many keep the lead acid for under the hood.

Ebike: Many ebikes use lithium ion batteries, some use LiFePo4. The charger has to match the battery. LiFePo4 are a bit bigger but do not have the fire risks.

Good luck!
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Quote from idiggplants View quoted comment :
yeah, so the MPPT basically is in control of cutting off the battery when it goes too low. ive read mixed stuff about lifepo4 vs lead acid. sounds like they really shine in spots where you use them often... occasional use doesnt see as much advantage as the lifepo sits at full charge for long periods, which is no good for it.

ive read that you can use the regular lithium ion charging profile for the MPPT, but to get the best life out of the lifepo4 you need to customize it.

wont be using it to start anything... just running lights, water pump, the radio, and occasional inverter use. and maybe one day an LTE modem/router.
MPPT describes the charge controller type/style. BMS is what is packaged inside the battery to protect it from over discharge voltage wise, over charge voltage wise, and too high charge or discharge current.

LiFePO4 is a big plus in high cycle applications - like you said, using them frequently. You get 1000's of cycles at 80% depth of discharge.

Regarding charge profile, you don't want to charge until the BMS disconnects the battery - especially when charging from solar, otherwise you'll get a spike in voltage when the BMS disconnects and the controller cannot (will never) regulate it fast enough. I know folks that have damaged their ham radios. So best to charge to 13.8V with a 2 hour 'equalization' voltage, then drop back. 13.8V for 2 hours gets you into the high 90's charge level, and 13.8V is low enough that the BMS doesn't disconnect the pack (unless the pack has wildly out of balance cells).
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Quote from dregan View quoted comment :
And from what I'm reading this type of battery doesn't seem to hold a charge past a few days?
These batteries lose 1-3% capacity per month sitting around. A bit more for fancier BMS equipped batteries that have bluetooth, but still better than lead acid.

So it's not due to self discharge.
Mar 11, 2024 8:21 PM
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Jordan1918Mar 11, 2024 8:21 PM
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A couple days ago I saw these 100ah on Amazon for $160 except with my Amazon card it's an extra 3% off
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Azrael_the_CatMar 11, 2024 10:53 PM
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Quote from Tazdeviloo7 View quoted comment :
Could this work as a car battery in an EV?
no, the power levels are too low, and the capacities are too small.
Mar 11, 2024 10:56 PM
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Azrael_the_CatMar 11, 2024 10:56 PM
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Quote from Tweak42 View quoted comment :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08ZH77QCG/
Amazon hasn't had it in stock for awhile. Not sure if Weize will ever carry it again since they seem more targeting car sized 100ah lifepo4 batteries.

I bought it on recommendation of this youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sge3IKWF4qo

Yes, it fits in my APC. I think the APC manufacture part is RBC2.
Keep in mind the battery in that video and in this thread have a nominal current output of 10A and 20A peak/surge current. This is very low for a UPS. That's only 120W/240W. If you have a UPS that only takes one of these or even 2 of them you are likely way below the ouput rating of the UPS.

This may be fine for a UPS that is running networking equipment at 50-100W but it is inadequate for a desktop computer working hard or a gaming computer. During a power outage the UPS would likely shut off prematurely due to overcurrent on the battery rather than actually draining the batteries as intended.
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Azrael_the_CatMar 11, 2024 11:00 PM
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Quote from BrianRange View quoted comment :
Can I assume that the 50Ah has a 50A BMS?
More to my point, can it run my trolling motor that has a max. draw of 52A ?
Not necessarily, you need to look at the specs on the battery, it will be clear what it's charge and discharge ratings are as well as the allowable peak currents. Ecoworthy has all the specs for the batteries on their website and on the side of the battery. That said it seems most of the ecoworthy stuff is rated for 1C discharge (1x the Ah capacity) so 50A may be close to it's rating.

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oldcottonMar 11, 2024 11:20 PM
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Quote from Azrael_the_Cat View quoted comment :
Not necessarily, you need to look at the specs on the battery, it will be clear what it's charge and discharge ratings are as well as the allowable peak currents. Ecoworthy has all the specs for the batteries on their website and on the side of the battery. That said it seems most of the ecoworthy stuff is rated for 1C discharge (1x the Ah capacity) so 50A may be close to it's rating.
Need expert's input: Can those 12V but in different capacities be connected each other to form a 24V or 48V system?worship

I am asking because right now I only need one. Considering the 150AH one comes with metal case, thought it is the one I will be getting for now. In the future, if I need to upgrade to 24v or 48v, can I get some 12Vs but in different capacities to form the 24V or 48V system? Thanks in advance. Wink

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Quote from oldcotton View quoted comment :
Need expert's input: Can those 12V but in different capacities be connected each other to form a 24V or 48V system?

I am asking because right now I only need one. Considering the 150AH one comes with metal case, thought it is the one I will be getting for now. In the future, if I need to upgrade to 24v or 48v, can I get some 12Vs but in different capacities to form the 24V or 48V system? Thanks in advance.

Cheers,
oldcotton
"Eco-Worthy's LiFePO4 battery can be connected in parallel and in series for larger capacity and voltage. Up to 4 identical batteries can be mounted as a series string as a 48V battery bank, and you can connect multiple batteries in parallel, while we suggest no more than 4pcs."
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oldcottonMar 12, 2024 1:18 AM
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Quote from BrianRange View quoted comment :
"Eco-Worthy's LiFePO4 battery can be connected in parallel and in series for larger capacity and voltage. Up to 4 identical batteries can be mounted as a series string as a 48V battery bank, and you can connect multiple batteries in parallel, while we suggest no more than 4pcs."
Thanks for the info. It didn't mention if I could mix different capacities, that's my concern.
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Can the 12V LiFePO4 battery be used to replace the lead acid battery in my APC UPS? As in I remove the +ve and -ve wires, extend and connect them to the LiFePO4 battery. I need about 50W output during power outage to keep the modem and router up and running.
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Quote from kickerstarter View quoted comment :
Can the 12V LiFePO4 battery be used to replace the lead acid battery in my APC UPS? As in I remove the +ve and -ve wires, extend and connect them to the LiFePO4 battery. I need about 50W output during power outage to keep the modem and router up and running.
Its not a generic answer because it depends upon the charge profile of the UPS, the voltage level/stabilty/rate, and how it trickles. The other issue is these low spec and most LFP cannot support the high C-rate discharge of a UPS when on pure battery. So you need to figure out your load and ensure it is no more than 80% of the c-rate otherwise you can simply blow the internal fuse or overheat the BMS which can lead to cell death or potential ignition.

So I would say you do not want to be putting a lithium chemistry into a UPS unless you know exactly what you are getting into and the dangers or them. The misnomer that LFP wont catch on fire is baloney. I have seen industrial UPS fires w/ LFP more than once. Most still use SLA or 12V AGM (large ones) along w/ Diesel.

Also pricewise I find my SLA last at least 5-7 years and cost 50% so the ROI isn't really there for these even if they did work. I could put them in my enterprise APC but I am not solid on these no name Chinacom LFP in my house.
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Quote from oldcotton View quoted comment :
Thanks for the info. It didn't mention if I could mix different capacities, that's my concern.
Very sorry. After rereading your post I see that you were very clear about that and I overlooked it. I got tunnel vision on just being able to connect in series or parallel.
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Quote from oldcotton View quoted comment :
Need expert's input: Can those 12V but in different capacities be connected each other to form a 24V or 48V system?worship

I am asking because right now I only need one. Considering the 150AH one comes with metal case, thought it is the one I will be getting for now. In the future, if I need to upgrade to 24v or 48v, can I get some 12Vs but in different capacities to form the 24V or 48V system? Thanks in advance. Wink

Cheers,
oldcotton
You should not mix capacities for a series connection. Consider when you drain the batteries: the smallest one will be discharged and disconnect (due to BMS) while the other ones will still have tons of charge.

Consider this: a 12v 10AH and 3x 12v 30Ah all in series.

After you drain 10Ah from the set, the smallest capacity battery will be empty and the BMS will open circuit and the extra capacity of the other three batteries (20Ah remaining x3) will go unused.

Hope that makes sense

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