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Police pepper spray peaceful students @ Davis

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Police pepper spray peaceful students
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Ram|bunc|tious
11-23-2011 at 02:04 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:04 PM.
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Really 50% of americans don't pay any taxes.... I guess they must be shopping on Amazon all the time, and they live on the street and own no property, probably don't even drive a car...wave
Also I guess they cook their own food and never eat out either ( since eating out requires you to pay SALES TAX )
Apparently you're in the 50% not doing it right Evillaugh

Quote from z2g :
Oh? So, the Davis protesters were only camped out there for a few hours prior to being pepper sprayed?

I assumed it was for at least several days at least because there's documentation that the school officials sent them official warnings in writing.
Don't let facts get in the way of a good argument on the internets Nono2
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11-23-2011 at 02:06 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:06 PM.
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Oh, I thought he was just stupid and ignorant. I didn't realize he was stupid, ignorant, and had zero life experience. Maybe his opinion of these idiots will change as he gets older and realizes how the world works.
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AngryPirate
11-23-2011 at 02:06 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:06 PM.
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Thank you for answering my question. That's all I wanted. I'm trying to keep an open mind and was honestly curious what pro-protesters ppl think is a solution. Instead, I'm met with anger and the same repeating answer that doesn't answer my question.

So, after the cops cite them with a ticket, then what happens? They're allowed to stay? Do they keep getting cited for any additional hour/day that they remain there.....like when you're illegally parked and your car will keep accruing tickets until you move it?
No problem...I also appreciate the level-headed manner in which you replied, rather than insinuating that I'm some jerkoff because I don't agree with you.

To be completely honest, yes. I think they should of just been cited, and then cited again whenever the next allowed time-frame was within the law. I don't know if it's 5 minutes, 24 hours, etc. I'd be fine with ANY of those options. I'm perfectly fine with them being cited every 20 minutes if that's what the law allows until they moved to the grass. That would be a non-aggressive way to disperse them and/or let them rack up money for the city if they choose to not comply. Pepper spray was an excessive manner to take in my opinion.

Also...even though I believe the above method would of been a better way to handle the situation, I still stand by the belief that I see no reason the cops needed to be called in the first place. If they weren't physically blocking entrance to buildings or harassing anyone, I don't really see the big deal about some kids sitting on a sidewalk.
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11-23-2011 at 02:10 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:10 PM.
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But, but, but.. it would be the most interesting post in this thread!
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11-23-2011 at 02:11 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:11 PM.
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No problem...I also appreciate the level-headed manner in which you replied, rather than insinuating that I'm some jerkoff because I don't agree with you.

To be completely honest, yes. I think they should of just been cited, and then cited again whenever the next allowed time-frame was within the law. I don't know if it's 5 minutes, 24 hours, etc. I'd be fine with ANY of those options. I'm perfectly fine with them being cited every 20 minutes if that's what the law allows until they moved to the grass. That would be a non-aggressive way to disperse them and/or let them rack up money for the city if they choose to not comply. Pepper spray was an excessive manner to take in my opinion.

Also...even though I believe the above method would of been a better way to handle the situation, I still stand by the belief that I see no reason the cops needed to be called in the first place. If they weren't physically blocking entrance to buildings or harassing anyone, I don't really see the big deal about some kids sitting on a sidewalk.
Yeah, I think that would be a decent "punishment" and alternative. After some time, the fine will start really piling up and I'm sure the "poor", "starving" college students will quit because they wouldn't want to contend with paying such a large fine.

My only concern would be whether the students would openly give up their ID for the cops to cite them. Do you think they would do that?
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11-23-2011 at 02:16 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:16 PM.
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Must be because I am right and being right scares the right....Smilie
Yes, that must be it.....
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11-23-2011 at 02:20 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:20 PM.
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Maybe I missed this, but has anyone who has been pro-protesters suggested another means for the police to disperse the crowd? Or, do they suggest that they should just let the protesters camp out anywhere they want for as long as they want?

I'm just curious what pro-protesters' solution would be.
Seems like the king pro-protester would have the lawbreakers be allowed to continue breaking the law. His reasoning is that "people can just walk on the lawn". Wonder what he would say had someone lost an eye in the melee. "Its ok, they have another".
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11-23-2011 at 02:21 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:21 PM.
Funny how ryu-bom could keep responding with insults and/or the same argument that it's a Constitutional right to protest. But, he can't even answer my simple question whether he then thinks it should be okay for the protesters to camp anywhere they like for as long as they like.

Why would he avoid answering this question? Because, it goes to the heart of the whole debate. Not that it's their right to protest.....we know that. It's whether ppl can camp out for as long as they want and wherever they want as long as it's a political rally/protest.
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11-23-2011 at 02:26 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:26 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
How many Tea Partiers were pepper sprayed ... and these people BROUGHT GUNS to supposely "peaceful protests"
Well you see, those Tea Partiers weren't breaking any laws by bringing guns.
etc etc etc...

You say supposely peacful protests.
Care to show me ANY examples were a Tea Party Rally has been anything but peaceful?
Cause I can show you example after example of leftist rallies that weren't exactly peaceful...
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11-23-2011 at 02:53 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:53 PM.
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you realize you're arguing with someone who still hasn't actually gone out into the real world and worked right?
can you please tell us why you left dictorial china to come hereConfused
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11-23-2011 at 02:55 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:55 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
can you please tell us why you left dictorial china to come hereConfused
Why are you ignoring my simple question? I'm honestly curious. Not to bash you or anything. But, to just get your insight on the matter since you're so vocal on the Constitutional rights issue.
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Ryu-bom
11-23-2011 at 02:58 PM.
11-23-2011 at 02:58 PM.
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You're right. I think they're a bunch of lazy hippies who just want a free handout from the gov't. For someone who is so pro-anarchy it seems, I'm shocked you even support them. You don't want a police state, but you want full gov't assistance like these lazy hippies?

There was no mistreatment and misuse of force here, period. You can think that my dislike for the movement and the idiots involved in it has something to do with my opinion there, or you can just actually understand that they got what they deserved based on the law and police procedures.

You are right, everyone has the right to protest. They don't, however, have the right to break the law. This includes blocking the sidewalk as well as rape, assaulting police officers, and using and selling drugs.
Awww.... is people's excercising therir constitutional right a annoyance to you....shake head
Do you wish the gov't would just come down and beat and kill them all, maybe even torture them a bit for fun.. And then send them to re-education camps

Don't mistake my support for the RIGHT TO PROTEST to my support of OWS or Occupy Movement..

Again it proves my point that you don't care much about freedom or rights, and would gladly see people abused and taken out when you DO NOT LIKE THE MESSAGE..
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Ryu-bom
11-23-2011 at 03:02 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:02 PM.
Quote from z2g :
Why are you ignoring my simple question? I'm honestly curious. Not to bash you or anything. But, to just get your insight on the matter since you're so vocal on the Constitutional rights issue.
if you want a answer it is NO

Your right to protest is ABSOLUTE and any attempts by the gov't to bypass or circumvent your right to protest is UNCONSTITUTIONAL

So no the police or the gov't have no right to break up any protest against them. If the gov't wants to break up any protest all they need to do is ADDRESS the protestors

Any attempt to use gov't police force to disband a protest is a criminal act by the gov't, a gov't who refuse to listen to its people by using its thugs to breakup any dissent is a crime .. This is exactly why the Founding Fathers want its people to be armed and not the gov't itself

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Funny how ryu-bom could keep responding with insults .

Yea I'm insulting people......laugh out loud

this is why I don't bother responding to your nonsense... I only humor you once in a while
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11-23-2011 at 03:04 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:04 PM.
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No, I'm talking about you. You are the one that often talks down to people to make yourself feel better. But I understand why you're doing it. Instead of trying to find a wife at your age, you go online in bitch about things that don't really affect you. You're like a fat, lonely Joe the Plumber.

(see what I did there?)
Your posts speak for themselves about what your life must be like. You've time and time again shown you know nothing about me laugh out loud
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Iaaaiws
11-23-2011 at 03:06 PM.
11-23-2011 at 03:06 PM.
Quote from Ryu-bom :
Yea we can't have you showing your true colors can't we.......LMAO

So keep denying that being assualted by police is different for one group of protesters against another
Got any links to where I have denied anything of the sort or are you playing make-believe again?
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