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NC Marriage Amendment

2,651 476 May 8, 2012 at 08:40 AM in Debate (2)
I went to the poll today to cast my vote on the NC Marriage Amendment [politico.com]. As expected, there were a lot of lesbians against the amendment standing outside the polling place. None of them were hot. Not one. Just a whole bunch of greying, shabbily dressed, hairy legged women with signs. It seems like the lesbian community could have put on a much better display to influence public opinion outside the polls.

No lipstick. No kissing. All in all a big disappointment. Frown

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chevvy
05-08-2012 at 11:19 AM.
05-08-2012 at 11:19 AM.
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Gay and lesbian and trans people have every bit as much a right to marry as any so-called straight people. And when they fark up their relationship, they have every bit as much a right to separate and get a divorce, too. They're every bit as human as everyone else, and deserve the same rights and opportunities. And if they actually stay together "til death do us part", then good for them.
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I honestly don't get why anyone thinks it's their business what a couple does or how it affects the "sanctity of marriage." As long as you have your marriage the way you want it and are fine, why do you give a rats ass what others do? Just let people be and stop trying to make laws that only follow your belief system. We have freedom of religion here for a reason. There are enough problems that we've brought on each other that actually affect quality of life, for this to actually be worth any consideration.
I don't have a problem with this. If they want to define themselves by their sexual life, I think it's stupid, but it's their right to do that.

My only question is this.....if a person is gay, the only thing that separates them from a straight person -- in my opinion -- is their sex life right? I mean really....there's no other difference. So if someone wants to define themselves by what they do with their sex life, how is it not offensive to call someone gay or homosexual, but it is offensive to call someone a slut? Each of these terms is just a reference to their sex life.

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I know. Why can't we be more like Arab countries! Crying

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Doh Don't think this post is gonna do it.

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05-08-2012 at 11:20 AM.
05-08-2012 at 11:20 AM.
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I know. Why can't we be more like Arab countries! Crying

Just trying to keep this out of the Podium. Whee


Doh Don't think this post is gonna do it.

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Haha...makes sense...wave
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05-08-2012 at 11:30 AM.
05-08-2012 at 11:30 AM.
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I don't have a problem with this. If they want to define themselves by their sexual life, I think it's stupid, but it's their right to do that.

My only question is this.....if a person is gay, the only thing that separates them from a straight person -- in my opinion -- is their sex life right? I mean really....there's no other difference. So if someone wants to define themselves by what they do with their sex life, how is it not offensive to call someone gay or homosexual, but it is offensive to call someone a slut? Each of these terms is just a reference to their sex life.
So when you married your wife, you were trying to define yourself by your chosen sex life? You didn't marry her because that's the person you wanted to show eternal devotion to, build a life and partnership with. Sure sex is part of marriage, but I'm sure there are plenty of people in a sexless marriage no matter their sex. I don't think marrying someone is defining your sex life. It's defining a single person that you want to take care of and be with the rest of your life.

And isn't everyone's sex life different? No one wants to be defined by one single aspect of their lifestyle. I think you're wrong in thinking that people don't get offended when you define them by their sexuality. That's not who they are, that's just part of their life. The only reason people put it out there so much is because it is so unaccepted that they need to get the message out that they are people just like you and deserve equality. So defining anyone by any one term is offensive in and of itself simply because you're not trying to know them, just define them.

If someone identifies themselves by some word or another, then it's not offensive to call them that, but when you determine what you want to call them simply from a lifestyle choice then it is offensive.
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05-08-2012 at 11:32 AM.
05-08-2012 at 11:32 AM.
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it was there originally though, why can't it go back?
That's where Treyvon Martin would have wanted this thread if his Muslim underage girlfriend needed an abortion paid out of our tax dollars and had to sit in the back of the bus to get to the clinic, right?
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05-08-2012 at 11:38 AM.
05-08-2012 at 11:38 AM.
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So when you married your wife, you were trying to define yourself by your chosen sex life? You didn't marry her because that's the person you wanted to show eternal devotion to, build a life and partnership with. Sure sex is part of marriage, but I'm sure there are plenty of people in a sexless marriage no matter their sex. I don't think marrying someone is defining your sex life. It's defining a single person that you want to take care of and be with the rest of your life.

And isn't everyone's sex life different? No one wants to be defined by one single aspect of their lifestyle. I think you're wrong in thinking that people don't get offended when you define them by their sexuality. That's not who they are, that's just part of their life. The only reason people put it out there so much is because it is so unaccepted that they need to get the message out that they are people just like you and deserve equality. So defining anyone by any one term is offensive in and of itself simply because you're not trying to know them, just define them.

If someone identifies themselves by some word or another, then it's not offensive to call them that, but when you determine what you want to call them simply from a lifestyle choice then it is offensive.
That's what I'm saying. I don't define myself by my sex life. I don't define someone else by theirs unless they want to be defined that way. I think people who define themselves by their sex life are just as stupid as those who persecute others because of their sex life.

I heart you, BQ.....but not in a hetero way. I don't need to be persecuted by others in the lounge. hug

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That's where Treyvon Martin would have wanted this thread if his Muslim underage girlfriend needed an abortion paid out of our tax dollars and had to sit in the back of the bus to get to the clinic, right?

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05-08-2012 at 12:16 PM.
05-08-2012 at 12:16 PM.
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That's what I'm saying. I don't define myself by my sex life. I don't define someone else by theirs unless they want to be defined that way. I think people who define themselves by their sex life are just as stupid as those who persecute others because of their sex life.

I heart you, BQ.....but not in a hetero way. I don't need to be persecuted by others in the lounge. hug
I heart you too, Chewy...but in a homo-way and I don't care what the lounge says Nono2
laugh out loud

I think defining oneself is kinda stupid, but I understand the need for identity, which I think is what it mainly is. Identity and to be accepted for one's identity. But forcing identities on others and persecuting them for it is much more stupid (and in fact, wrong) in my opinion.

I mean, you identify yourself as a man, not just a Homo sapien, and gender qualities that you identify with your sex, which defines you. So it's ok for me to call you a man vs male Homo sapien, because you've identified yourself as such. So defining oneself is important and when someone is trying to fight for a certain amount of acceptance or changing laws then they must show that identity and be proud of it and strong in their cause because of it.

So I think it's wrong when someone tries to force an identity or way of life on someone, but I don't think it's wrong for someone to expect to simply be accepted and gain equality for their way of life.

For example, I, in no way expect a heterosexual Catholic to become a homosexual Atheist, but I also don't think that same heterosexual Catholic has the right to think a homosexual Atheist to become like them. I don't care that they each define themselves as such, but they shouldn't try to convert someone to their same definition of self.
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05-08-2012 at 12:25 PM.
05-08-2012 at 12:25 PM.
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I heart you too, Chewy...but in a homo-way and I don't care what the lounge says Nono2
laugh out loud

I think defining oneself is kinda stupid, but I understand the need for identity, which I think is what it mainly is. Identity and to be accepted for one's identity. But forcing identities on others and persecuting them for it is much more stupid (and in fact, wrong) in my opinion.

I mean, you identify yourself as a man, not just a Homo sapien, and gender qualities that you identify with your sex, which defines you. So it's ok for me to call you a man vs male Homo sapien, because you've identified yourself as such. So defining oneself is important and when someone is trying to fight for a certain amount of acceptance or changing laws then they must show that identity and be proud of it and strong in their cause because of it.

So I think it's wrong when someone tries to force an identity or way of life on someone, but I don't think it's wrong for someone to expect to simply be accepted and gain equality for their way of life.

For example, I, in no way expect a heterosexual Catholic to become a homosexual Atheist, but I also don't think that same heterosexual Catholic has the right to think a homosexual Atheist to become like them. I don't care that they each define themselves as such, but they shouldn't try to convert someone to their same definition of self.
Iagree

....except about the part about defining myself as a man laugh out loud.....which means YOU DO heart me in a homo way! Cold

....and i think defining one's self based on their sexual preference is stupid
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05-08-2012 at 12:33 PM.
05-08-2012 at 12:33 PM.
Quote from chewspam :
Iagree

....except about the part about defining myself as a man laugh out loud.....which means YOU DO heart me in a homo way! Cold

....and i think defining one's self based on their sexual preference is stupid
Having that be the pure definition, yes...it's kinda stupid, but it is part of the definition of one's self. But if you ask most people on a regular basis to tell you about themselves, the first thing they say is not generally going to be sexual preference. I think the times when that is an outright show is when people are trying to gain awareness of a specific cause.

Granted, a lot of my definition of myself is my sexuality and preferences, but that's because one of my causes is sexuality understanding and accpetance. Since it's such a taboo topic, I talk about it more to get people to feel a little more comfortable with it and when you're comfortable with something you're more likely going to be willing to learn more about it and gain acceptance and understanding. One of my biggest things is I want people to understand and be comfortable with who they are no matter what others think and to be comfortable with the fact that others make certain life decisions.
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05-08-2012 at 12:38 PM.
05-08-2012 at 12:38 PM.
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That's where Treyvon Martin would have wanted this thread if his Muslim underage girlfriend needed an abortion paid out of our tax dollars and had to sit in the back of the bus to get to the clinic, right?
how dare you not mention Ron Paul!
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05-08-2012 at 12:38 PM.
05-08-2012 at 12:38 PM.
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Granted, a lot of my definition of myself is my sexuality and preferences, but that's because one of my causes is sexuality understanding and accpetance. Since it's such a taboo topic, I talk about it more to get people to feel a little more comfortable with it and when you're comfortable with something you're more likely going to be willing to learn more about it and gain acceptance and understanding. One of my biggest things is I want people to understand and be comfortable with who they are no matter what others think and to be comfortable with the fact that others make certain life decisions.
Go on©...


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05-08-2012 at 12:42 PM.
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Go on©...


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Hahaha...what do you want to know? I'll tell you everything you want to know (as long as I don't get a warning for being too graphic, it's happened before) At that point PM me Wink
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05-08-2012 at 12:44 PM.
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Hahaha...what do you want to know? I'll tell you everything you want to know (as long as I don't get a warning for being too graphic, it's happened before) At that point PM me Wink

Secret I know......i've read some of your previous posts.

Where's phroatz look around.....I need to give that office-cubicle-drawing-lucky-bastard a High Five
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05-08-2012 at 12:47 PM.
05-08-2012 at 12:47 PM.
I have no clue...he hasn't been on in a while...except once in a while to stalk my posts and make sure I'm not sexing you guys up Wink
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05-08-2012 at 01:15 PM.
05-08-2012 at 01:15 PM.
Quote from beanqueen :
I honestly don't get why anyone thinks it's their business what a couple does or how it affects the "sanctity of marriage." As long as you have your marriage the way you want it and are fine, why do you give a rats ass what others do? Just let people be and stop trying to make laws that only follow your belief system. We have freedom of religion here for a reason. There are enough problems that we've brought on each other that actually affect quality of life, for this to actually be worth any consideration.
The government shouldn't be making laws allowing or disallowing any marriage. The government also shouldn't be rewarding or penalizing anyone based on if they are married or not.
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05-08-2012 at 01:17 PM.
05-08-2012 at 01:17 PM.
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The government shouldn't be making laws allowing or disallowing any marriage. The government also shouldn't be rewarding or penalizing anyone based on if they are married or not.
Agreed!
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