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ASUS Zenbook 14: 14" 2.8K OLED, i5-1240P, 8GB LPDDR5, 256GB SSD $499.99

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  • Intel Core i5-1250P 1.7 GHz (12M Cache, up to 4.4 GHz, 4P+8E cores) 12th-Gen Evo Processor
  • 14" 2.8K (2880 x 1800) 16:10, 90Hz, 600-nits, 100% DCI-P3 (133% sRGB), HDR OLED Display
  • 8GB LPDDR5-4800MHz RAM (Soldered)
  • 256GB NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD
  • Wi-Fi 6E(802.11ax) (Dual band) 2*2 + BT 5
  • Windows 11 Home
  • Backlit keyboard
  • Fingerprint sensor
  • HD 720p cam
  • 4-cell 75Wh battery
  • 3.06 lbs.
  • Model: Q409ZA-EVO.I5256BL
  • Ports:
    • 2x Thunderbolt 4 supports display / power delivery
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 2.0b
    • 1x Headphone jack
    • 1x microSD card reader

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  • Intel Core i5-1250P 1.7 GHz (12M Cache, up to 4.4 GHz, 4P+8E cores) 12th-Gen Evo Processor
  • 14" 2.8K (2880 x 1800) 16:10, 90Hz, 600-nits, 100% DCI-P3 (133% sRGB), HDR OLED Display
  • 8GB LPDDR5-4800MHz RAM (Soldered)
  • 256GB NVMe PCIe 4.0 SSD
  • Wi-Fi 6E(802.11ax) (Dual band) 2*2 + BT 5
  • Windows 11 Home
  • Backlit keyboard
  • Fingerprint sensor
  • HD 720p cam
  • 4-cell 75Wh battery
  • 3.06 lbs.
  • Model: Q409ZA-EVO.I5256BL
  • Ports:
    • 2x Thunderbolt 4 supports display / power delivery
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A
    • 1x HDMI 2.0b
    • 1x Headphone jack
    • 1x microSD card reader

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Jul 18, 2023 05:27 AM
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Enoch42Jul 18, 2023 05:27 AM
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The open box excellent for $385 was the deal to get. But now that 13th gen is out and also 16gb models, it's harder to get this one. But I do own this laptop and I love it. Screen is amazing.
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Jul 18, 2023 05:35 AM
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Quote from canabisquick :
The open box excellent for $385 was the deal to get. But now that 13th gen is out and also 16gb models, it's harder to get this one. But I do own this laptop and I love it. Screen is amazing.
Open-box deal is indeed the one to get but not everyone has it in their area.
This is, however, still the lowest it has been. It was this price just once before.

As far as the 8GB RAM is concerned and what people are crying over. Truth is, they don't know their limitations while buying this or any laptop with 8GB RAM. If you buy this expecting to do photo or video editing, open 50+ chrome tabs, and create extensive spreadsheets, then you're the only one to blame.

I've been using an 11th gen i5 convertible with 8GB RAM as my daily driver for the past 1.5 years and it has held up absolutely nicely and hasn't made any noticeable or frustrating stutters or delays. I regularly open around 10-20 chrome tabs max.
For internet browsing, light productivity, and media consumption, 8GB is absolutely fine.

Yes, the only major drawback is the lack of future proofing.
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Jul 18, 2023 05:59 AM
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bieberwhole69Jul 18, 2023 05:59 AM
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Quote from Dr.Wajahat :
Open-box deal is indeed the one to get but not everyone has it in their area.
This is, however, still the lowest it has been. It was this price just once before.

As far as the 8GB RAM is concerned and what people are crying over. Truth is, they don't know their limitations while buying this or any laptop with 8GB RAM. If you buy this expecting to do photo or video editing, open 50+ chrome tabs, and create extensive spreadsheets, then you're the only one to blame.

I've been using an 11th gen i5 convertible with 8GB RAM as my daily driver for the past 1.5 years and it has held up absolutely nicely and hasn't made any noticeable or frustrating stutters or delays. I regularly open around 10-20 chrome tabs max.
For internet browsing, light productivity, and media consumption, 8GB is absolutely fine.

Yes, the only major drawback is the lack of future proofing.
you can justify it however you want.. the fact is that it's 2023.. 8GB was fine in 2014.. it's what I went with when I built my 1st computer.. tho i upgraded to 16GB a few months later. it's the principle that putting 8GB in a computer almost 10 years later when 8GB was common/base is just greed. if you don't agree, that's fine.. it helps you justify your purchase and that's okay. I know many older people can't tell the difference between a fast computer and a slow one. latency doesn't seem to matter as much to them.
And people should be "crying" over this.. if there weren't ppl crying over it.. companies would continue to shaft consumers and continue to put 8GB in computers.. hell.. why not lower it to 6GB! and make 8GB an upgrade!

but I get it.. ppl need to defend their purchase so they don't feel bad and not just understand what the principle behind it is.

That said.. for $299.. I could live with 8GB of RAM with all the other specs of this computer
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Jul 18, 2023 06:15 AM
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MundosoldJul 18, 2023 06:15 AM
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Quote from bieberwhole69 :
you can justify it however you want.. the fact is that it's 2023.. 8GB was fine in 2014.. it's what I went with when I built my 1st computer.. tho i upgraded to 16GB a few months later. it's the principle that putting 8GB in a computer almost 10 years later when 8GB was common/base is just greed. if you don't agree, that's fine.. it helps you justify your purchase and that's okay. I know many older people can't tell the difference between a fast computer and a slow one. latency doesn't seem to matter as much to them.
And people should be "crying" over this.. if there weren't ppl crying over it.. companies would continue to shaft consumers and continue to put 8GB in computers.. hell.. why not lower it to 6GB! and make 8GB an upgrade!

but I get it.. ppl need to defend their purchase so they don't feel bad and not just understand what the principle behind it is.

That said.. for $299.. I could live with 8GB of RAM with all the other specs of this computer
16gb was common in 2011, i spent like $65 on 16gb ddr3 back then
Then ram collusion happened and average ram went DOWN for a few years because it became super expensive, people spending like $200-300 on 16gb ram kits for ryzen 1. But ram is reasonably priced again now.
8gb is truly a pathetic amount of ram. I had that in 2007 (4x 2gb ddr2) and played Crysis with that and a 8800GTX and a core2 duo. 16 years ago.
No one runs 20 chrome tabs with 8gb. The tabs get put to sleep and the state written to disk. Thats why there's a delay clicking between tabs on 8gb. Only 2-3 are active. If you do any real work with multiple programs then that becomes very frustrating. If it weren't for fast SSDs doing the heavy lifting it would be painfully obvious just how inadequate 8gb is.
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Jul 18, 2023 06:39 AM
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Alucard400Jul 18, 2023 06:39 AM
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Quote from bieberwhole69 :
you can justify it however you want.. the fact is that it's 2023.. 8GB was fine in 2014.. it's what I went with when I built my 1st computer.. tho i upgraded to 16GB a few months later. it's the principle that putting 8GB in a computer almost 10 years later when 8GB was common/base is just greed. if you don't agree, that's fine.. it helps you justify your purchase and that's okay. I know many older people can't tell the difference between a fast computer and a slow one. latency doesn't seem to matter as much to them.
And people should be "crying" over this.. if there weren't ppl crying over it.. companies would continue to shaft consumers and continue to put 8GB in computers.. hell.. why not lower it to 6GB! and make 8GB an upgrade!

but I get it.. ppl need to defend their purchase so they don't feel bad and not just understand what the principle behind it is.

That said.. for $299.. I could live with 8GB of RAM with all the other specs of this computer

I can't expect a laptop with an OLED screen and a much much higher resolution to even cost $299. There are premium chromebooks that will just do fine with browsing and some reach $300 or more and you still don't get an OLED screen. The reason the price for this is $500 is because the ram is only 8gb and many people pass on it when it's priced higher. and the reason Asus put 8GB is because it's still possible to do computing at 8GB outside of games and heavy applications.
Jul 18, 2023 01:34 PM
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FeloniusMonkeyJul 18, 2023 01:34 PM
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A great value, without a doubt. But a little too restrictive for my needs.
I would pull the trigger if it had EITHER RAM upgradeability or an extra SSD slot.
Jul 18, 2023 10:51 PM
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AkujunkanXJul 18, 2023 10:51 PM
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Quote from Mundosold :
16gb was common in 2011, i spent like $65 on 16gb ddr3 back then
Then ram collusion happened and average ram went DOWN for a few years because it became super expensive, people spending like $200-300 on 16gb ram kits for ryzen 1. But ram is reasonably priced again now.
8gb is truly a pathetic amount of ram. I had that in 2007 (4x 2gb ddr2) and played Crysis with that and a 8800GTX and a core2 duo. 16 years ago.
No one runs 20 chrome tabs with 8gb. The tabs get put to sleep and the state written to disk. Thats why there's a delay clicking between tabs on 8gb. Only 2-3 are active. If you do any real work with multiple programs then that becomes very frustrating. If it weren't for fast SSDs doing the heavy lifting it would be painfully obvious just how inadequate 8gb is.
The flaw in your argument is, no one doing real work is relying on a 300 dollar laptop to do it.
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Jul 18, 2023 10:56 PM
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discostuJul 18, 2023 10:56 PM
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Quote from canabisquick :
The open box excellent for $385 was the deal to get. But now that 13th gen is out and also 16gb models, it's harder to get this one. But I do own this laptop and I love it. Screen is amazing.
Have you done any switch emulation with this machine? Just curious about how well it runs yuzu
Jul 18, 2023 10:56 PM
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Peerless_WarriorJul 18, 2023 10:56 PM
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Yes, it has 8gb. But you will rarely find laptops at this price with a 90hz OLED. Come on people, be a little reasonable

If you're doing complex work, then yes you need 32gb+. 16gb should really be the min. My 2007 Dell V1500 has 8gb, so yeah it's strange.
Jul 19, 2023 03:10 AM
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ErickMagnusJul 19, 2023 03:10 AM
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I got one. I already have a desktop for heavy computing stuff. I love how light is is, great panel and feels responsive. I know I can't have many apps open at once in this, but it's a good trade off on a computer priced as an entry-level iPad.

Edit: I got the open-box one. $300 is a great value. More than that I would go with a ROG one.
Last edited by ErickMagnus July 18, 2023 at 08:12 PM.
Jul 19, 2023 05:12 AM
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VioletTent657Jul 19, 2023 05:12 AM
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Quote from bieberwhole69 :
you can justify it however you want.. the fact is that it's 2023.. 8GB was fine in 2014.. it's what I went with when I built my 1st computer.. tho i upgraded to 16GB a few months later. it's the principle that putting 8GB in a computer almost 10 years later when 8GB was common/base is just greed. if you don't agree, that's fine.. it helps you justify your purchase and that's okay. I know many older people can't tell the difference between a fast computer and a slow one. latency doesn't seem to matter as much to them.
And people should be "crying" over this.. if there weren't ppl crying over it.. companies would continue to shaft consumers and continue to put 8GB in computers.. hell.. why not lower it to 6GB! and make 8GB an upgrade!

but I get it.. ppl need to defend their purchase so they don't feel bad and not just understand what the principle behind it is.

That said.. for $299.. I could live with 8GB of RAM with all the other specs of this computer
It seems that people are indeed crying over it.
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Jul 20, 2023 02:21 AM
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mrcloseupmanJul 20, 2023 02:21 AM
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Quote from Mundosold :
16gb was common in 2011, i spent like $65 on 16gb ddr3 back then
Then ram collusion happened and average ram went DOWN for a few years because it became super expensive, people spending like $200-300 on 16gb ram kits for ryzen 1. But ram is reasonably priced again now.
8gb is truly a pathetic amount of ram. I had that in 2007 (4x 2gb ddr2) and played Crysis with that and a 8800GTX and a core2 duo. 16 years ago.
No one runs 20 chrome tabs with 8gb. The tabs get put to sleep and the state written to disk. Thats why there's a delay clicking between tabs on 8gb. Only 2-3 are active. If you do any real work with multiple programs then that becomes very frustrating. If it weren't for fast SSDs doing the heavy lifting it would be painfully obvious just how inadequate 8gb is.
Yup, plus some phones have more ram than this computer!
You may be able to 'get by' with 8...but why just get by? Also, what's weird is when they sell pc's with 12gb, that annoys me even more...just up the price a bit and have 16! Stick Out Tongue
Jul 20, 2023 04:51 AM
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coursesixJul 20, 2023 04:51 AM
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8GB of RAM is more than sufficient for 99% of the population in real world use, but acceptable to only 1% of SDers. I would love to get this if an open box was available around me. Those who own this complain of battery life, heat, and fan noise, but typically not of performance (unless they don't understand what the specs are capable of).

I am still rocking the $200 Motile laptop from 3.5 yrs ago (with upgrade to 8GB RAM), and for what I do with it (browsing, YouTube, light gaming, Word, PowerPoint) it still runs well. And that is with single channel memory.

My wife's 8 year old laptop with 8GB of RAM also runs well for what she does (similar stuff as me except more multitasking on a 4k display, some charting/EMR).

It's amazing how a design choice in Chrome (make use of any free RAM to store pages rather than the disk cache) combined with people keeping 50 tabs open has promulgated the RAM myth. I am OK with that, as it just drives the price of this machine lower. But who knows, maybe I am OK with it because this laptop has more than 10,000 times the RAM on my first PC (640kb).
Jul 21, 2023 04:55 PM
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WeijunGJul 21, 2023 04:55 PM
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16gb definitely a norm and expectation for new laptops, but for good price from the openbox ones, not bad. Considering the OLED, and the metal framework, and light and 2.8K 90hz for the bright side. $500 for new? I probably won't, as then you'd better off add a bit more to get 16gb to make your "new" investment last longer. For new, I'd look forward; but for the money wise, open box is nice given the configurations beyond 8gb.

ps. Looks more just game laptops the brands will allow ppl to upgrade themselves, it's sales trap, the commerce should forbidden or punish them for intentionally leave a small memory size to keep ppl upgrade the whole thing, while they could easily make it upgradable, unlike phone memory.

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