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5,497 239 December 15, 2005 at 08:05 AM
1 month and counting until the new season starts...

Any ideas on how this seasons going to go? The only previews/clips I've seen is Jack wondering around what looks like Arizona, and he answers his cellphone "How did you get this number?" I have no idea what's going to happen... and that's what i love Evil

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point5mann
05-25-2010 at 10:28 PM.
05-25-2010 at 10:28 PM.
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With regards to Logan killing Pillar being "weak", he did it prior to anyone knocking on his door. I believe his intentions were to kill off the man who has the most information on Logan and get out of there. After shooting Pillar, the President comes knocking on his door resulting in the inevitable from Logan.
My take on this was that Logan did it out of hate for Jack. He was mad that Jack had ruined him a second time and took out the only two people who could stop the special forces from killing Jack.

I too loved the finale'.
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beowulf7
05-26-2010 at 09:31 AM.
05-26-2010 at 09:31 AM.
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It's probably safe to assume that Logan is dead. With Taylor being whisked away by the secret service, she exclaimed to Tim, "I need Logan alive!" Thus, I doubt he's still breathing.

With regards to Logan killing Pillar being "weak", he did it prior to anyone knocking on his door. I believe his intentions were to kill off the man who has the most information on Logan and get out of there. After shooting Pillar, the President comes knocking on his door resulting in the inevitable from Logan.

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Had Taylor signed the treaty as she almost did, then I don't think Logan would've still killed Pillar. When Logan killed Pillar, he did so knowing that the plot would unravel and his involvement w/ the Russians would become known. At that point, he knew he was going to end his life. But I don't know why he also wanted to kill Pillar, too. It's not like Pillar had damaging info. about Logan. Taylor already had the evidence and would presumably disclose it. Not to mention Bauer, Chloe, and others at CTU. So when Logan killed Pillar, he became not just a suicider, but a murderer as well.

That's assuming Logan is dead, but even if he's not, he'd probably be mentally incapacitated as someone told Taylor.

Going back to Jack shooting himself when Chloe wouldn't, he shot himself in the head, right? How did he not become unconscious? And why didn't he shoot himself in a way that would kill him even he indeed wanted Chloe to shoot (to kill) him? And if he just wanted to be shot so that he wouldn't be killed by the agents that were after him, then why not shoot himself in the shoulder? Confused

I guess I'm at the point where the intensity and adrenaline of the finale is over and I'm not over analyzing the show. Embarrassment
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05-26-2010 at 09:36 AM.
05-26-2010 at 09:36 AM.
I thought it was pretty good. I really wanted to see Jack take Subarov out with that SCAR-L, though. One of the single coolest guns on the show and we don't get to see it used.
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05-26-2010 at 09:37 AM.
05-26-2010 at 09:37 AM.
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Going back to Jack shooting himself when Chloe wouldn't, he shot himself in the head, right? How did he not become unconscious? And why didn't he shoot himself in a way that would kill him even he indeed wanted Chloe to shoot (to kill) him? And if he just wanted to be shot so that he wouldn't be killed by the agents that were after him, then why not shoot himself in the shoulder? Confused

I guess I'm at the point where the intensity and adrenaline of the finale is over and I'm not over analyzing the show. Embarrassment
actually I believe Chloe did end up shooting him (in the left shoulder), just before he was about to shoot himself in the head. That's why that agent became even more suspicious when the medic said that he was shot in the location that would do the least damage.
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05-26-2010 at 09:41 AM.
05-26-2010 at 09:41 AM.
Quote from Billiam411 :
actually I believe Chloe did end up shooting him (in the left shoulder), just before he was about to shoot himself in the head. That's why that agent became even more suspicious when the medic said that he was shot in the location that would do the least damage.
Good thing I still have that on my DVR b/c I need to rewatch that scene. Everything happened so fast and it looked like Jack shot himself. And that would've added even more doubt on why Chloe's gun didn't show discharge yet Jack's did.

But Chloe isn't a field agent, so how would she have been able to precisely shoot like that (i.e., to shoot to wound, but not permanently injure or kill)?

Dammit to me for analyzing! laugh out loud
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05-26-2010 at 09:45 AM.
05-26-2010 at 09:45 AM.
chloe shot jack *because* he was about to shoot himself in the head...
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05-26-2010 at 10:40 AM.
05-26-2010 at 10:40 AM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Good thing I still have that on my DVR b/c I need to rewatch that scene. Everything happened so fast and it looked like Jack shot himself. And that would've added even more doubt on why Chloe's gun didn't show discharge yet Jack's did.

But Chloe isn't a field agent, so how would she have been able to precisely shoot like that (i.e., to shoot to wound, but not permanently injure or kill)?

Dammit to me for analyzing! laugh out loud
I was questioning that when I first saw it I thought she just got lucky or maybe it was just a plot device myself
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05-26-2010 at 10:52 AM.
05-26-2010 at 10:52 AM.
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of course there won't be a good show to replace 24. Heck that was prob the only good show on fox IMO
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I don't think it was the only good show. Although Fox doesn't exactly have a bunch of hit shows.
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05-26-2010 at 01:58 PM.
05-26-2010 at 01:58 PM.
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I don't think it was the only good show. Although Fox doesn't exactly have a bunch of hit shows.
There is nothing else on FOX that I want to watch...with the exception of family guy and the simpsons, but even then it has been a long time since I seen an episode of ether of them shows
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05-26-2010 at 03:16 PM.
05-26-2010 at 03:16 PM.
Another piece of analysis: if Logan wanted Bauer dead and sent those guys to break him out of the CTU van and take him hostage so that they could execute him, why didn't they just kill him on the spot rather than put a cover over his head and take him under that bridge? Confused

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I was questioning that when I first saw it I thought she just got lucky or maybe it was just a plot device myself
I'm definitely going to rewatch that scene and see if I can see the smoke coming out of her gun after the shot fires off.

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There is nothing else on FOX that I want to watch...with the exception of family guy and the simpsons, but even then it has been a long time since I seen an episode of ether of them shows
I enjoy "Human Target" on FOX. It's a little bit James Bond and a little bit A-Team. The acting is not the best, but the action and smart-ass comments are pretty entertaining.

I also watch all those FOX cartoon shows on Sun. night (except "American Dad"). Even though some of them have been around for years, I still find them funny. Cool
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05-26-2010 at 08:53 PM.
05-26-2010 at 08:53 PM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Another piece of analysis: if Logan wanted Bauer dead and sent those guys to break him out of the CTU van and take him hostage so that they could execute him, why didn't they just kill him on the spot rather than put a cover over his head and take him under that bridge? Confused
It was an ambulance. Perhaps they took him to another site because Logan probably wanted some proof that Jack is really dead. They would have needed time and knew CTU or NYPD backup would arrive as soon as they find they'd lost radio contact. Well... They have just let CTU confirm the kill. You're right, this is odd. Didn't think about it that way.
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05-26-2010 at 09:16 PM.
05-26-2010 at 09:16 PM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
Had Taylor signed the treaty as she almost did, then I don't think Logan would've still killed Pillar. When Logan killed Pillar, he did so knowing that the plot would unravel and his involvement w/ the Russians would become known. At that point, he knew he was going to end his life. But I don't know why he also wanted to kill Pillar, too. It's not like Pillar had damaging info. about Logan. Taylor already had the evidence and would presumably disclose it. Not to mention Bauer, Chloe, and others at CTU. So when Logan killed Pillar, he became not just a suicider, but a murderer as well.
I think you should watch it again. Pillar says something like... "the jig is up, let's not add murder (presumably of Jack Bauer) to our rap sheet." Logan says to him "You're right... go ahead and answer the President's phone call" and shoots him, saying that Jack Bauer ruined him twice and insinuating he deserves to die.

You're right, though, about the hit men. My only explanation is that Logan didn't order it. Pillar was less emotionally involved in it so maybe didn't feel the same sense of urgency. Also, maybe they wanted it to be more of an execution style?

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Going back to Jack shooting himself when Chloe wouldn't, he shot himself in the head, right? How did he not become unconscious? And why didn't he shoot himself in a way that would kill him even he indeed wanted Chloe to shoot (to kill) him? And if he just wanted to be shot so that he wouldn't be killed by the agents that were after him, then why not shoot himself in the shoulder? Confused

I guess I'm at the point where the intensity and adrenaline of the finale is over and I'm not over analyzing the show. Embarrassment
I agree w/ the others. Jack couldn't convince Chloe to shoot him until he put his gun to his head to shoot himself. Chloe then finally shot him.

Later Cole asks her about it and asked her how she knew she wouldn't kill him. She gave him a look like she didn't know.

They were desperate. Jack was willing to take the chance that he was killed in order to get the evidence out into the open.
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05-26-2010 at 09:43 PM.
05-26-2010 at 09:43 PM.
Quote from nutter218 :
It was an ambulance. Perhaps they took him to another site because Logan probably wanted some proof that Jack is really dead. They would have needed time and knew CTU or NYPD backup would arrive as soon as they find they'd lost radio contact. Well... They have just let CTU confirm the kill. You're right, this is odd. Didn't think about it that way.
Didn't those 2 goons kill the ambulance drivers? Or I guess just knocked them out but kept them alive. In any case, if I were Logan and scared for my life of Jack (like how he said no matter where Jack is imprisoned, he'll claw out of the deepest hole to find him), he should've told the goons to shoot to kill Jack on site and then send proof later.

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I think you should watch it again. Pillar says something like... "the jig is up, let's not add murder (presumably of Jack Bauer) to our rap sheet." Logan says to him "You're right... go ahead and answer the President's phone call" and shoots him, saying that Jack Bauer ruined him twice and insinuating he deserves to die.

You're right, though, about the hit men. My only explanation is that Logan didn't order it. Pillar was less emotionally involved in it so maybe didn't feel the same sense of urgency. Also, maybe they wanted it to be more of an execution style?



I agree w/ the others. Jack couldn't convince Chloe to shoot him until he put his gun to his head to shoot himself. Chloe then finally shot him.

Later Cole asks her about it and asked her how she knew she wouldn't kill him. She gave him a look like she didn't know.

They were desperate. Jack was willing to take the chance that he was killed in order to get the evidence out into the open.
I will check out the Chloe shooting of Jack and the dialog between Pillar and Nixon again. Heck, maybe I'll watch the final hour again since it was that entertaining.

Oh, another piece of analysis: Jack knocked out Pillar after he whined like a little girl about having a little girl. After the commercial break, we see Jack throwing Pillar in the SUV. Wouldn't Jack have tied him up so well that there's no way in hell that Pillar could've gotten out by himself? Maybe Jack slipped up w/ all that bleeding, he wasn't thinking straight.

Chloe sure knew how to shoot very well for someone who has very little field experience and probably none in recent times.





OK, now for a little humor. I meant to post this a couple weeks ago. Back during the 5/10 episode, my area of TX (D/FW) had a tornado warning in certain counties. FOX 4 annoying spammed this message during the entire duration of the show, which was very annoying. But it was a little humorous b/c there's a county near me called Jack county. I couldn't help but pause my DVR and take a pic of my TV during the beginning of the broadcast when they recapped the previous episode. Roll
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05-26-2010 at 10:16 PM.
05-26-2010 at 10:16 PM.
Quote from beowulf7 :
... Wouldn't Jack have tied him up so well that there's no way in hell that Pillar could've gotten out by himself? Maybe Jack slipped up w/ all that bleeding, he wasn't thinking straight...
he was tied up. watch it again.
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05-26-2010 at 10:19 PM.
05-26-2010 at 10:19 PM.
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he was tied up. watch it again.
Yeah I know he was tied up, but the point I was making is that Jack made an uncharacteristic mistake in not tying up Pillar securely. He kind of half-assed tied him, apparently.
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