AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core Desktop Processor + Avatar: Frontiers of Pandora Game Expired

5800x none 3d is 200 dollars off amazon.
so at 300 dollar, the 3d version is 50% more expensive than none 3d version, for about 10% more performance in gaming.

while the law of diminishing return exist, i would argue for that extra 100 dollars, one maybe better served by saving that for AM5 (or intel) platform. the AM4 is EOL, even buying the best AM4 processor isn't going to put you near any of recent mid tier 250 dollar processors like i5-13400. so you literally paying the diminishing return for nothing unless you are absolutely confined to AM4 platform, like the fastest fat man race.

Looks like the 7800X3D is closer to 44% faster [techpowerup.com] at 1080p than the 5800X-non3D. So 50% more expensive and comes with a free game seems like a good deal.

You're not wrong that the Intel 13th and 14th gen processors do offer more performance in productivity apps but the difference isn't that big. Using a more trustworthy website [techpowerup.com] for benchmarks (sorry, Userbenchmark is widely known as an Intel mouthpiece), the 14600k beats the 7800X3D by ~10% on average across a wide suite of applications. Gaming-wise, the 7800X3D is ~15% faster than the 14600k.
And if power consumption [techpowerup.com] (and thus heat generation) is something important to you, it's not even close. Across 47 different applications, the 7800X3D averaged 49W compared to 93W for the 14600k (or ~90% higher power draw). Across 13 games it was 49W vs 76W (or ~55% higher power draw).

Lastly, as for platform longevity, AM5 is going ot be around for a lot longer than LGA1700 since Intel's Meteor Lake and Arrow Lake wille be using LGA1851 it sounds like. So when Zen 5 drops, you can use the same motherboard to drop a new chip in.

While you make a good point about work/productivity use, you're greatly downplaying AMD's dominance in gaming with the X3D chips. 7800X3D is still topping the charts over the newer 14th gen Intel chips (e.g. 14900K), and even it's "higher end" sibling the 7950X3D.

Also, talking about long term... upgrading Intel CPUs is problematic. I'm tired of having to upgrade my motherboard every time with Intel when my friends with AMD were able to greatly extend the life of their rig going from the 3000 series to 5800X3D.

The 7800X3D makes too much of a compelling case for any objective gamer to ignore so I'm finally jumping ship from Intel. I was just waiting for a good non-Microcenter deal. Thanks, OP!

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P.S. Userbenchmark is a horrible source. It takes the whole rig into account and doesn't isolate variables.

Better sources:
* https://www.tomshardware.com/revi...,4312.html
* https://gamersnexus.net/cpus/best...ppointment

It's a HUGE difference between the two.

Userbench (data set of 3000+ comparisons from actual users) shows an average of 18% speed increase, in favor of the Intel.

Let me use the site www.techpowerup.com [techpowerup.com] that you referenced

• Applications ( 92 vs 71) is a whomping 29% in favor of the Intel
  Gaming (311.5 vs 291.1) gives the edge to AMD by 7%
  4K Gaming (99.6 vs 99.1) is basically a wash between the two.

Power? Seriously, I pay $0.13 kwh for power. Since we don't run full power 24/7 let's assume you're cranking it for 40 hours a week for 125W (120 vs 250) difference. 125W / hr multipled by 40 is 6000W that week (or 6kwh) which would be ... $41 annually.

At the end of this day, the Intel takes a HUGE leap over the AMD, and for 4K gaming, it's a wash.

For longevity ... if you spent the extra $200 bucks now for top of the line memory (DDR5-8000), a good MB and M.2 you're going to be good for 2-3 years of gaming. If you're short sighted, you're thinking about a tech-refresh annually (swapping CPUs) and basically missing out.

Looks like the 7800X3D is closer to 44% faster [techpowerup.com] at 1080p than the 5800X-non3D. So 50% more expensive and comes with a free game seems like a good deal.

The person I replied to stated that the 7800X3D is unmatched, and that's patently false. In the applicatoin world (including web browsers, excel, and even local apps that you run in the background, the Intel wins. For gaming, the AMD has a slight edge.

From Toms:

• Gaming : 13% lead to AMD

Since they don't have the 14700K for some reason, we can use the 13700K

• Single-Thread : 21% to Intel
  Multi-Thread : 51% to Intel

Since you listed Gamers Nexus, here's a problem they identified with AMD CPUs basically melting their MBs - a known defect that they were able to reproduce several times : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI. Even if you don't think that'll happen to you, they point out in this (and another ... videos wind up to be about 2hrs of watching) how the SOC reduces the longevity of the AMD chip. It's not all performance, but also a matter of potentially how long your chip will survive as well.

Basically, the 7800X3D is a niche chip for casual users and gamers. If you're thinking about dropping $300 for the chip, then you're looking at a MB that you want to last ($200-$300) and of course want to leverage DDR5. This is a few hundred bucks and it makes absolute sense to understand what you are buying, and why.

Kids box for mine craft? This is just overkill. But if you're using your rig for other things (including browsing, multiple apps, video, etc.) and want something that can last you for at least 1-2 years without having to think about a memory or CPU upgrade ... Intel may be the play.

PS. I'm just annoyed when someone says "blah-blah is unmatched" when it's factually false.

The person I replied to stated that the 7800X3D is unmatched, and that's patently false. In the applicatoin world (including web browsers, excel, and even local apps that you run in the background, the Intel wins. For gaming, the AMD has a slight edge.

From Toms:

• Gaming : 13% lead to AMD

Since they don't have the 14700K for some reason, we can use the 13700K

• Single-Thread : 21% to Intel
  Multi-Thread : 51% to Intel

Since you listed Gamers Nexus, here's a problem they identified with AMD CPUs basically melting their MBs - a known defect that they were able to reproduce several times : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiTngvvD5dI. Even if you don't think that'll happen to you, they point out in this (and another ... videos wind up to be about 2hrs of watching) how the SOC reduces the longevity of the AMD chip. It's not all performance, but also a matter of potentially how long your chip will survive as well.

Basically, the 7800X3D is a niche chip for casual users and gamers. If you're thinking about dropping $300 for the chip, then you're looking at a MB that you want to last ($200-$300) and of course want to leverage DDR5. This is a few hundred bucks and it makes absolute sense to understand what you are buying, and why.

Kids box for mine craft? This is just overkill. But if you're using your rig for other things (including browsing, multiple apps, video, etc.) and want something that can last you for at least 1-2 years without having to think about a memory or CPU upgrade ... Intel may be the play.

PS. I'm just annoyed when someone says "blah-blah is unmatched" when it's factually false.

credit pull to save $50? These financing deals need to be banned from slickdeals.

I don't believe Affirm does a hard inquiry.

It's a HUGE difference between the two.

Userbench (data set of 3000+ comparisons from actual users) shows an average of 18% speed increase, in favor of the Intel.

I currently have an AM4 motherboard and was waiting on a good deal for a 5800X3D (currently on an older R5 3600 X from 2019) ... Is it worth it to get this and an AM5 motherboard? Or should I wait for a ~250ish deal on the 5800X3D and keep my current motherboard?

Edit: Ahhh I did it, pulled the trigger, came out to $326 after tax. Now I have to justify a new motherboard purchase to the wife lol