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Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver

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Key Features:
  • Dirac Live Room Correction
  • HDMI 2.1
  • Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
  • 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
  • 120-watts/per channel
  • Imax Enhanced
  • Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
  • Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:
  • Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
  • RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
  • Speaker Setup Microphone
  • DAB/FM Antenna
  • Indoor FM Antenna
  • AM Loop Antenna
  • Power Cord
  • User Manual
  • Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty

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Adorama has Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver on sale for $649. Shipping is free.

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Key Features:
  • Dirac Live Room Correction
  • HDMI 2.1
  • Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
  • 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
  • 120-watts/per channel
  • Imax Enhanced
  • Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
  • Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:
  • Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
  • RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
  • Speaker Setup Microphone
  • DAB/FM Antenna
  • Indoor FM Antenna
  • AM Loop Antenna
  • Power Cord
  • User Manual
  • Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty

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pracura
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I know there are a lot of fans of the Lx-505, the Onkyo, and the similar integra models. After months trying when they were all released I managed to get the Pioneer. I was replacing an x4100 Denon in a 5.1.4 setup. I built the room for high quality sound and to spec with Atmos, DTS-X, and Auro 3D.

I even bought the higher end tuning mic for Dirac and the special mic stand. I got deep into all of the tuning curves, laptop software, and all that jazz well before actually getting the receiver. For months I combed AV forums to get tips and expert advice.

In the end, in spite of days of tuning and tweaks, I returned the Pioneer. The Pioneer's sound was just flat compared to my older Denon. The 3 dimensions of sound were just 2D and too crisp. I thought for sure I got a defective Pioneer and after returning it, continued searching obsessively for any one of these three extremely similar models.

I was on the Crutchfield waitlist for a few months and finally got the Onkyo. I hooked it up. Did all the initial, standard calibration but got the exact same result. I did the curves and tweaked and tweaked. Things changed but never got close to my older Denon. Just flat sound that made me sad. I ended up returning the Onkyo too. It killed my soul.

So now I have the Denon x4700. It sounds amazing like my x4100 but a little better. The new Denon has some features my old Denon did not and that were critical at my house - having volume control on-screen and being able to turn everything on and off with a simple remote.

I'm not arguing with all the people who love these receivers. On paper they look awesome. My experience was less than awesome, but what pleases people's ears is ultimately a very personal experience and wanted to share mine.

That being said. This Pioneer is still a quality receiver and at this price definitely a slick deal. But I'll warn you not to invest as much time as I did trying to tweak it if you aren't impressed after your first calibration. Tweaking helped but in my case did not work out.
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Hard to imagine a 30 year AV hobbyist that never tried using external amps with an AVR.

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Quote from LovelySparrow901 :
Right. You may be able to make sense of this for me, but aren't audyssey settings based on reference level (zero on the volume control)? Meaning, you might still be able to measure the same changes with REW and a measurement mic at -10 as you would at 0, but your ears aren't hearing those same changes because you aren't at 0 and the "curves of unequal loudness, aka fletcher-Munson curves" are affecting your hearing?
Now, if you had dynamic EQ "on", and had its "reference level offset" set to -10, it's effect would essentially be "off" if listening at -10 or louder because you've altered what the avr now recognizes as reference level?
Hmmm…yes!
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Quote from majaym :
You mean spending $560 on Dirac DLBC makes that much of a difference over investing that money into moving to a premium 15/18 inch sub from 12 inch.
Well for you it would much more and don't know what 2 subs you have now.
He runs SB4000s, is there a $560 15" sub that would be an upgrade imo not even close.

Did DLBC integrate those subs better than before worth $560, to us yes!
Technically he only paid $340 for DLBC because of the 30% discount.

I'll get another chance with it in my system, with Dirac this time, very intrigued!
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Quote from supermanrob :
Well for you it would much more and don't know what 2 subs you have now.
He runs SB4000s, is there a $560 15" sub that would be an upgrade imo not even close.

Did DLBC integrate those subs better than before worth $560, to us yes!
Technically he only paid $340 for DLBC because of the 30% discount.

I'll get another chance with it in my system, with Dirac this time, very intrigued!
I have a pair of Monolith M12s now, might upgrade to M15s or UM18s in Mini Marty ported enclosures. I was hoping to spend money on the subs instead of DLBC, I already have a MiniDSP and umik to tune the subs as needed. Thoughts?
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Cigar-RaiderJan 29, 2024 10:54 AM
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This looks to be about the best deal on a AVR above 100 watts/2 channel, this will replace the Onkyo 805 130 watts from year 2007, way overdue for a replacement since the amps video can't pass the 4k signal, well I would say I got my money out of the Onkyo, was purchased at Circuit city which went bankrupt the very next year. They sure don't build like the 805 anymore, solid!
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Quote from LA_Art_Collector :
So are you saying that Dirac will set the crossovers where ever it deems optimal?
And it'll ignore the preset crossover points?
And it'll set each speaker independently?

If so, I'll stop waiting for the Onkyo TX-RZ50 to come down!
I am definitely confused as to how the Pioneer global crossover works as compared to the Onkyo crossover as it applies to DIRAC Live. How could the global crossover set the Dolby Atmos speakers to 80 Hz? They should be crossing over at 150Hz. As another poster pointed out, crossing Atmos at 80Hz could even cause damage.

To my knowledge, when the DIRAC EQ is applied to all of your speakers, it uses the configuration that you selected for your speaker configuration. I used 5.1.2 so when DIRAC runs the EQ, it presumably sets the Atmos speakers for the proper frequency cut-off. I watched this youthman video and followed his suggestions on how to establish DIRAC filter curtains from the app to prevent Dirac from adjusting any frequencies above 500 Hz: https://youtu.be/yspMuw_PX0s?si=93LIGuxPVXqD1jKu

Basically you will run the DIRAC live with your mic hooked up just like all other room EQs and then it will allow you to do some editing in the app. This video does a great job explaining it and I probably should have shared it originally in my earlier post.
Last edited by BML6182 January 29, 2024 at 06:51 AM.
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supermanrob
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Quote from LA_Art_Collector :
So are you saying that Dirac will set the crossovers where ever it deems optimal?
And it'll ignore the preset crossover points?
And it'll set each speaker independently?

If so, I'll stop waiting for the Onkyo TX-RZ50 to come down!
Dirac Live does not set your crossovers points, you set those prior to running measurements.
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Quote from LA_Art_Collector :
So are you saying that Dirac will set the crossovers where ever it deems optimal?
And it'll ignore the preset crossover points?
And it'll set each speaker independently?

If so, I'll stop waiting for the Onkyo TX-RZ50 to come down!
Here is an informative thread that helps us understand this Global Crossover conundrum:
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/...37/page-13 Start at post #246

Nutdotnet said:
Out of curiosity - how are you all managing the single crossover? That's the only thing holding me back - with a 5.1.4 setup, I'm having a hard time understanding why Pioneer would only allow one crossover when your atmos and surround speakers are typically smaller and would usually have a higher crossover point than your fronts.

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I have mine set at the 80hz THX standard. DIRAC calibration sets them at 100hz for me, and MCCAC sets them at 150hz for me as well. According to my Pioneer add on module manual Atmos modules are have a preset internal crossover and allegedly most receivers that have the option for up firing modules account for that in the processing for that and aren't sending them anything a "Atmos enabled speaker" can't handle. I know my mine are 180hz and on my Yamaha I set their crossover to 200hz since you had at least some sort of superficial control over it. I also have a pair of the Klipsch modules that for whatever reason give you no frequency response spec other than they meet Dolby Atmos specifications. Which when I looked that up is down to 80hz. So I guess those are technically full spectrum speakers, but can also be used as up firing modules since when you tell the receiver what type of speaker they are it take account for that. I THINK.

Response #249:
@Nutdotnet, I think people have blown the global crossover out of proportion. Sure, it's nice to be able to set each speakers crossover. There is another mindset that the standard crossover for all speakers at the industry standard of 80Hz might result in the best sound. All speakers set at 80Hz will result in all of them playing the same response more even sound panning around your room.

Anyways, back before these new AVRs released, there was more discussion on the subject, and I posted a reply back then: New AVR from Pioneer and Onkyo | Page 44 | AVS Forum

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Quote from majaym :
I have a pair of Monolith M12s now, might upgrade to M15s or UM18s in Mini Marty ported enclosures. I was hoping to spend money on the subs instead of DLBC, I already have a MiniDSP and umik to tune the subs as needed. Thoughts?
Unfortunately the two Marantz AVRs you mentioned do not offer either Dirac RCs, so it would be very costly to get it for you.

As much as people praise Dirac as being vastly better/superior, BOTH are very good.
I would disagree, XT32 + Editor App can be very comparable especially when DLBC is excluded.
As a matter of fact if you use MultiEQ-X that gives you all the capabilities of Dirac and much cheaper.
The BIG caveat is proper implementing them.

Not knowing your setup and expectations(wouldn't help anyways).
Imo two properly implemented Mono 12s should offer very good performance in the average home environment.

I run two SB3000 in a dedicated room and people often are shocked!
Often they say wow I thought you had to have ported subs for HT! 🙄

If you're comfortable using REW/miniDSP you might consider getting MultiEQ-X, gives you what Dirac offers.
It will only cost you $199, much cheaper than two 15/18" subs.
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Wolfpack7Jan 29, 2024 04:52 PM
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Would I be able to run two zones simultaneously with this while one is playing the TV and the other music via Bluetooth? The manual seems confusing as it doesn't specify if you can or not
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Quote from supermanrob :
Unfortunately the two Marantz AVRs you mentioned do not offer either Dirac RCs, so it would be very costly to get it for you.

As much as people praise Dirac as being vastly better/superior, BOTH are very good.
I would disagree, XT32 + Editor App can be very comparable especially when DLBC is excluded.
As a matter of fact if you use MultiEQ-X that gives you all the capabilities of Dirac and much cheaper.
The BIG caveat is proper implementing them.

Not knowing your setup and expectations(wouldn't help anyways).
Imo two properly implemented Mono 12s should offer very good performance in the average home environment.

I run two SB3000 in a dedicated room and people often are shocked!
Often they say wow I thought you had to have ported subs for HT! 🙄

If you're comfortable using REW/miniDSP you might consider getting MultiEQ-X, gives you what Dirac offers.
It will only cost you $199, much cheaper than two 15/18" subs.
I would agree, I've read some very informative threads about the XT32 + XT32 Editor App+ REW + MiniDSP 2x4 HD + MiniDSP UMIK-1 achieving results on par or exceeding DIRAC Live + DIRAC Bass Control.

XT32 Editor App = $20
​REW = Free
MiniDSP 2x4 HD (for Bass control) = $225
MiniDSP UMIK-1 Calibration Mic = $80
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$325 (plus tax) - not bad if you have a XT32 and want awesome calibration. I'm considering going this route on my Denon 3400 if the XT32 Editor is compatible!

Dirac Live for Denon or Marantz -
Bundle Offer Multi
The bundle includes
Room Correction Full Bandwidth
Bass Control Multi Subwoofer = $799
MiniDSP UMIK-1 Calibration Mic = $80
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$880 (plus tax) - It's not terrible, and I know they go on sale, but this is Slick deals and not AVSFourm after all

Keep in mind these above prices do not include the price of the AVR so these above costs are in addition of buying a receiver.

You most likely can get 85%-90% of the results of these more professional options form the Pioneer VSX-505 Dirac Live, and if your use case is a secondary system, you will probably be happy enough. If you want a professional level system you are going to have to buy the better equipment, software and hardware. In the law of diminishing returns, is that 10%-15% better worth it. I think for me the XT32 Editor/MiniDSP route will be worth it, because it's a hobby for me and I am interested in this fine tuning. I want to be blown away and I think that I can improve on the standard XT32 in my basement system.

If you can't justify the spend of a higher end Denon/Marantz + these extra upgrades, then Pioneer might do the trick. If you have the money and don't want to compromise, I think Denon and Marantz are the way to go. I have two Denon and one Pioneer, honestly I'm happy with all three.
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supermanrob, I have a question.
Currently I have 7 channel receiver, I came to this thread to buy this receiver to setup 5.1.4. Now I am wondering whether I will be able to use my current 7 channel receiver to accomplish 5.1.4 setup. 5 channels for the usual L/R/C/SL & SR.
For the 6th channel I wanted to connect my 2 left Atmos in the ceiling and
For the 7th channel I wanted to connect my 2 right Atmos in the ceiling.
Will I be able to do that (I know physically it is possible), will it damage my ceiling speakers or the AVR? TIA
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Quote from LavenderStar992 :
I have owned this great receiver for about 2.5 years and like it a lot. I use this in a 6.2.2 (ghost center) dedicated HT room setup with the front 2 channels being pre-outted to a pair of 400W monoblock amps that drive my Magneplanar speakers. Friends bring their friends to check out the Sight (77 G3) and Sound.

Enjoy this receiver.
Ghost center. So, by eliminating the center channel, vocals actually come from the center of the display instead of below or above it. Huh. Wonder why more people don't do this? Smilie
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Quote from BlownCamaro :
Ghost center. So, by eliminating the center channel, vocals actually come from the center of the display instead of below or above it. Huh. Wonder why more people don't do this? Smilie
Ghost Center (aka phantom center) sounds sonically superior. if you are sitting within the sweet spot (GF and I do) … dedicated center is better if you have folks sitting off-axis (very rarely we have many folks around the TV).
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Quote from BlownCamaro :
Ghost center. So, by eliminating the center channel, vocals actually come from the center of the display instead of below or above it. Huh. Wonder why more people don't do this? Smilie
It's usually called phantom center. The center channel info is sent to the main left/right speakers and appears directly between them just like a center image sound in a stereo setup.
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Quote from BML6182 :
I would agree, I've read some very informative threads about the XT32 + XT32 Editor App+ REW + MiniDSP 2x4 HD + MiniDSP UMIK-1 achieving results on par or exceeding DIRAC Live + DIRAC Bass Control.

XT32 Editor App = $20
​REW = Free
MiniDSP 2x4 HD (for Bass control) = $225
MiniDSP UMIK-1 Calibration Mic = $80
---------------------------------------------------
$325 (plus tax) - not bad if you have a XT32 and want awesome calibration. I'm considering going this route on my Denon 3400 if the XT32 Editor is compatible!

Dirac Live for Denon or Marantz -
Bundle Offer Multi
The bundle includes
Room Correction Full Bandwidth
Bass Control Multi Subwoofer = $799
MiniDSP UMIK-1 Calibration Mic = $80
---------------------------------------------------
$880 (plus tax) - It's not terrible, and I know they go on sale, but this is Slick deals and not AVSFourm after all

Keep in mind these above prices do not include the price of the AVR so these above costs are in addition of buying a receiver.

You most likely can get 85%-90% of the results of these more professional options form the Pioneer VSX-505 Dirac Live, and if your use case is a secondary system, you will probably be happy enough. If you want a professional level system you are going to have to buy the better equipment, software and hardware. In the law of diminishing returns, is that 10%-15% better worth it. I think for me the XT32 Editor/MiniDSP route will be worth it, because it's a hobby for me and I am interested in this fine tuning. I want to be blown away and I think that I can improve on the standard XT32 in my basement system.

If you can't justify the spend of a higher end Denon/Marantz + these extra upgrades, then Pioneer might do the trick. If you have the money and don't want to compromise, I think Denon and Marantz are the way to go. I have two Denon and one Pioneer, honestly I'm happy with all three.
The 3400 is compatible with the Editor App.

As far as Dirac Live keep in mind it doesn't include their sub/bass integration.
Calibration and integration are not the same thing.
Integrating bass between your sub(s) and all your speakers manually is possible but it is daunting.
In the end it may not be a good as a good RC algorithm like DLBC.
So that 85%-90% will vary widely across the board.

I agree if you have access to Editor App, upgrading for just Dirac Live & DLBC doesn't make good financial sense.
A well implemented system should be comparable especially for the price.

BTW if you use MultiEQ-X you won't need the MiniDSP, so it saves you there also.
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