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Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver

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Key Features:
  • Dirac Live Room Correction
  • HDMI 2.1
  • Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
  • 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
  • 120-watts/per channel
  • Imax Enhanced
  • Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
  • Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:
  • Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
  • RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
  • Speaker Setup Microphone
  • DAB/FM Antenna
  • Indoor FM Antenna
  • AM Loop Antenna
  • Power Cord
  • User Manual
  • Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty

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Update: This deal is still available.

Adorama has Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505 9.2-Channel 8K A/V Receiver on sale for $649. Shipping is free.

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Key Features:
  • Dirac Live Room Correction
  • HDMI 2.1
  • Ultimate 4K Gaming Experience
  • 9 Channels of onboard amplification with 11.2-Channel Processing
  • 120-watts/per channel
  • Imax Enhanced
  • Powered Zone 2/Zone 3 Audio
  • Bi-directional Bluetooth with aptX HD
Includes:
  • Pioneer Home Audio Elite VSX-LX505 120W 9.2-Channel Network A/V Receiver
  • RC-974R Remote Controller with 2x AAA Batteries
  • Speaker Setup Microphone
  • DAB/FM Antenna
  • Indoor FM Antenna
  • AM Loop Antenna
  • Power Cord
  • User Manual
  • Pioneer Home Audio 3 Year limited Warranty

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pracura
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I know there are a lot of fans of the Lx-505, the Onkyo, and the similar integra models. After months trying when they were all released I managed to get the Pioneer. I was replacing an x4100 Denon in a 5.1.4 setup. I built the room for high quality sound and to spec with Atmos, DTS-X, and Auro 3D.

I even bought the higher end tuning mic for Dirac and the special mic stand. I got deep into all of the tuning curves, laptop software, and all that jazz well before actually getting the receiver. For months I combed AV forums to get tips and expert advice.

In the end, in spite of days of tuning and tweaks, I returned the Pioneer. The Pioneer's sound was just flat compared to my older Denon. The 3 dimensions of sound were just 2D and too crisp. I thought for sure I got a defective Pioneer and after returning it, continued searching obsessively for any one of these three extremely similar models.

I was on the Crutchfield waitlist for a few months and finally got the Onkyo. I hooked it up. Did all the initial, standard calibration but got the exact same result. I did the curves and tweaked and tweaked. Things changed but never got close to my older Denon. Just flat sound that made me sad. I ended up returning the Onkyo too. It killed my soul.

So now I have the Denon x4700. It sounds amazing like my x4100 but a little better. The new Denon has some features my old Denon did not and that were critical at my house - having volume control on-screen and being able to turn everything on and off with a simple remote.

I'm not arguing with all the people who love these receivers. On paper they look awesome. My experience was less than awesome, but what pleases people's ears is ultimately a very personal experience and wanted to share mine.

That being said. This Pioneer is still a quality receiver and at this price definitely a slick deal. But I'll warn you not to invest as much time as I did trying to tweak it if you aren't impressed after your first calibration. Tweaking helped but in my case did not work out.
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Hard to imagine a 30 year AV hobbyist that never tried using external amps with an AVR.

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Jan 31, 2024 07:49 PM
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nyrmetrosJan 31, 2024 07:49 PM
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Is this the lowest price thus far??
Jan 31, 2024 07:55 PM
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appkhiJan 31, 2024 07:55 PM
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Quote from MP4826 :
And of course I just received my LX305 the other day when the 505 wasn't on-sale. How is Adorama's return policy?
You can return just pay return shipping which is also discounted shipping cost or you can return yourself
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Jan 31, 2024 08:39 PM
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Jan 31, 2024 08:39 PM
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Quote from josephandrews :
I'm not willing to read the entire thread but I thought I read somewhere that this concern about 'power throttling' is based on one audioscience reviewer, and that the whole kerfuffel is basically much ado about nothing?

Or am I mistaken?

No snark intended...
Yes you have to read those measurements with a grain of salt.
Whether it's an audible difference is a whole other topic.

You listening for yourself will be the only way to know if it's an audible issue/difference or not.
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MaydayMaloneJan 31, 2024 09:40 PM
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Will this effectively drive a Polk LSIM 5.1 setup? If anyone can answer this I would greatly appreciate it!
Jan 31, 2024 10:18 PM
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FranksAndBeansJan 31, 2024 10:18 PM
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Quote from LovelySparrow901 :
Lol

There is ZERO difference in the RESULT you HEAR between a signal that a sound engineer mixes to emanate from between (partially or fully) a pair of stereo speakers in a stereo signal, and the phantom center mode sending the center channel info to the left and right speakers.
If a sound was mixed to pan evenly from left to center to right front speakers in a movie mix, the phantom mode will do the EXACT SAME THING using two speakers, just like they've been doing in stereo since it was invented. This is exactly WHY phantom center mode was INVENTED. Duh!
If anyone has knowledge to the contrary, it's SIMPLE. Show us any movie scene that DISPROVES it. End of story
It's the same thing that happens when you watch a movie with headphones using a 5.1 track. Lol. It's so elemental.
When you have a standalone center channel speaker, it can be worked as a standalone speaker. Meaning you can raise the levels of it or set the crossovers differently from your fronts. Once you get into the volume based tools like dynamic volume, it's even better, because you have an even more effective set of tools to work with to boost vocals with that discrete control.

For this reason alone, when it comes to movies or TV I absolutely want a center channel speaker, and a very good one. Now, if I'm being honest I think this is only really necessary because so many sources have terrible vocal mixes, but in my day to day viewing I'm simply much happier being able to run the center channel 2-3 db hot with a light compression setting like dynamic volume set to day/light.

It's not my ears, they are still good. I also know it's not accurate. I know it's not what some dude wanted us to hear. But I can calibrate like this and be good to go with 99% of what I watch, instead of having to rewind or use captions for anything with quiet dialogue scenes. For this reason alone any system I pull together for video will 100% have a good center channel.
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FranksAndBeansJan 31, 2024 10:50 PM
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Quote from agent888 :
What's with the thumbs down goblin in here? A buttload of posts that are helpful are getting downvoted for no reason. 🤷 ♂️

One quick question, The wattage throttling seems to be a concern. I already have a very small two channel amp for my two rear atmos speakers. I was considering buying this receiver just for the processing to have 7.2 4 and dirac. If I bought an additional amp for the lcr, would the power be throttled on only the remaining channels not externally powered? Is the throttling per channel or is it universal?
I have ran Denons for a long time and was just about to grab one of these to give Dirac a spin. The price vs. features is amazing.

But the amp thing, if those test results are to be trusted, it's absolutely a real concern for some applications... they show driving the amps hard for more than 35 seconds triggers a mode limiting the the amps to 35 watts until the entire unit is power cycled.

If you understand how much power is generally used to drive a speaker, you know this won't be a problem for most users. A system with subs and 80Hz crossover satellites is only going to be using a few watts to the speakers most of the time, feeding even say 50 watts into a couple speakers in that setup would be as loud as they could reasonably play, so not much risk there, and thus the reason they can get away with this type of setup on the amps. Bass reproduction is what takes the power. So if your sub is doing all the bass work, this amp problem will basically never come up.

But if you run full size front towers, and especially if you want to use them for high volume music playback as 2.0... this is a real issue. 50+ watts into bass reproduction is nothing, and it can absolutely be done running full range towers just playing bass-heavy music at relatively normal listening levels. Lots of good 7-11 channel AVR's rated at 100wpc will do more than 100wpc into two channels with peaks being much higher, and that's what you need for driving towers hard.

My .02 it means this unit should only be looked at as one suitable for sub/sat systems. It makes it a no-go for me as the main thing I was interested in trying Dirac for was for 2-channel music, no subs. I'm glad it got flagged here because I had no idea it was an issue.
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FabulousLeopard773Feb 01, 2024 05:54 AM
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Just received mine today… had some issues with ARC functions, like Sub not turning on, no sound from TV, sound coming after restarting, then off again. When trying to troubleshoot I realized I never saw the unit display on, it looks it does not work. I am returning the product, dang I was so excited to receive this.

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nyrmetrosFeb 01, 2024 07:07 AM
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Quote from MaydayMalone :
Will this effectively drive a Polk LSIM 5.1 setup? If anyone can answer this I would greatly appreciate it!
How about the Polk Monitor series?
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luk350Feb 01, 2024 03:23 PM
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Quote from nyrmetros :
How about the Polk Monitor series?
Quote from MaydayMalone :
Will this effectively drive a Polk LSIM 5.1 setup? If anyone can answer this I would greatly appreciate it!
Don't know your exact model, but LSIM 7 series tower speakers rated at 88db and definitely harder to drive, so you may be looking for external add-on amps.
VIP pro from ADORAMA is only $50 and will give you free extended returns.
Only one way to be sure is try 505 in real life.
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kluvlawFeb 01, 2024 03:37 PM
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Quote from pracura :
I know there are a lot of fans of the Lx-505, the Onkyo, and the similar integra models. After months trying when they were all released I managed to get the Pioneer. I was replacing an x4100 Denon in a 5.1.4 setup. I built the room for high quality sound and to spec with Atmos, DTS-X, and Auro 3D.

I even bought the higher end tuning mic for Dirac and the special mic stand. I got deep into all of the tuning curves, laptop software, and all that jazz well before actually getting the receiver. For months I combed AV forums to get tips and expert advice.

In the end, in spite of days of tuning and tweaks, I returned the Pioneer. The Pioneer's sound was just flat compared to my older Denon. The 3 dimensions of sound were just 2D and too crisp. I thought for sure I got a defective Pioneer and after returning it, continued searching obsessively for any one of these three extremely similar models.

I was on the Crutchfield waitlist for a few months and finally got the Onkyo. I hooked it up. Did all the initial, standard calibration but got the exact same result. I did the curves and tweaked and tweaked. Things changed but never got close to my older Denon. Just flat sound that made me sad. I ended up returning the Onkyo too. It killed my soul.

So now I have the Denon x4700. It sounds amazing like my x4100 but a little better. The new Denon has some features my old Denon did not and that were critical at my house - having volume control on-screen and being able to turn everything on and off with a simple remote.

I'm not arguing with all the people who love these receivers. On paper they look awesome. My experience was less than awesome, but what pleases people's ears is ultimately a very personal experience and wanted to share mine.

That being said. This Pioneer is still a quality receiver and at this price definitely a slick deal. But I'll warn you not to invest as much time as I did trying to tweak it if you aren't impressed after your first calibration. Tweaking helped but in my case did not work out.
Pretty sure your ears didn't deceive you, the LX505 has a defective design and powers itself down to only 20 watts in 35 seconds if you try and push it:
https://www.audiosciencereview.co...iew.40731/

I was strongly considering this model until I saw this review, but now I'll avoid Pioneer until I know the design flaw is fixed because this isn't the 1st generation with the problem.
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Quote from FranksAndBeans :
I have ran Denons for a long time and was just about to grab one of these to give Dirac a spin. The price vs. features is amazing.

But the amp thing, if those test results are to be trusted, it's absolutely a real concern for some applications... they show driving the amps hard for more than 35 seconds triggers a mode limiting the the amps to 35 watts until the entire unit is power cycled.

If you understand how much power is generally used to drive a speaker, you know this won't be a problem for most users. A system with subs and 80Hz crossover satellites is only going to be using a few watts to the speakers most of the time, feeding even say 50 watts into a couple speakers in that setup would be as loud as they could reasonably play, so not much risk there, and thus the reason they can get away with this type of setup on the amps. Bass reproduction is what takes the power. So if your sub is doing all the bass work, this amp problem will basically never come up.

But if you run full size front towers, and especially if you want to use them for high volume music playback as 2.0... this is a real issue. 50+ watts into bass reproduction is nothing, and it can absolutely be done running full range towers just playing bass-heavy music at relatively normal listening levels. Lots of good 7-11 channel AVR's rated at 100wpc will do more than 100wpc into two channels with peaks being much higher, and that's what you need for driving towers hard.

My .02 it means this unit should only be looked at as one suitable for sub/sat systems. It makes it a no-go for me as the main thing I was interested in trying Dirac for was for 2-channel music, no subs. I'm glad it got flagged here because I had no idea it was an issue.
I agree with your statements. If your main use case for this AVR is to run a 2 channel setup, there are FAR better options available (or run an amp for your mains). In most home theater arrangements, you would be running 1-2 subs and even if you have full range L and R speakers, most people set their speakers to small and let their subs do the heavy lifting in the bass department.

In my living room I am even running my 2 channel music with subs, so I'm not using the full range of my Klipsch RP-280F mains. I blend them with my 12" subs and it sounds fantastic with this amp. If you don't have subs and run in 2 channel mode, if you have 4 Ohm or 6 Ohm speakers that are harder to drive and more power hungry, skip this Pioneer (Unless you have an external amp).

It seems like it would be a fringe use case for people in the market for 2 channel music to be looking at this AVR versus other options.
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MaydayMaloneFeb 01, 2024 04:42 PM
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Quote from luk350 :
Don't know your exact model, but LSIM 7 series tower speakers rated at 88db and definitely harder to drive, so you may be looking for external add-on amps.
VIP pro from ADORAMA is only $50 and will give you free extended returns.
Only one way to be sure is try 505 in real life.
Thanks for the reply! I do indeed have the large 707 front towers and the huge center channel too so I'll have to plan accordingly if I pursue this.
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Quote from FranksAndBeans :
When you have a standalone center channel speaker, it can be worked as a standalone speaker. Meaning you can raise the levels of it or set the crossovers differently from your fronts. Once you get into the volume based tools like dynamic volume, it's even better, because you have an even more effective set of tools to work with to boost vocals with that discrete control.

For this reason alone, when it comes to movies or TV I absolutely want a center channel speaker, and a very good one. Now, if I'm being honest I think this is only really necessary because so many sources have terrible vocal mixes, but in my day to day viewing I'm simply much happier being able to run the center channel 2-3 db hot with a light compression setting like dynamic volume set to day/light.

It's not my ears, they are still good. I also know it's not accurate. I know it's not what some dude wanted us to hear. But I can calibrate like this and be good to go with 99% of what I watch, instead of having to rewind or use captions for anything with quiet dialogue scenes. For this reason alone any system I pull together for video will 100% have a good center channel.
A center channel will allow greater control of the vocal, which can be more appealing with conversational contents. Running a center channel will drastically reduce the exceptional spatial imaging capability of my main L + R speakers, especially with high quality audio materials. The center channel is at a different height and is surrounded by other objects, which can alter the timbre.

I use L + R in full range for music, and L + R (phantom mode) + sub (45 Hz crossover) + surrounds for movies. This "movies" setup requires a lot of power for the L + R speakers at a listening distance of 12 feet (3 ohms impedance below 100 Hz). A receiver that clips at 30 watts would not work well with my setup. It's silly to pay $650 for a receiver that forces the user to divert power hungry bass notes to a sub.
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CaptBenderFeb 01, 2024 07:15 PM
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Got in on this deal. Received it a week ago and got it all set up. I've spent very little time tuning it in. I played a couple movies with my old SC-91 and then this one. I did the basic 3 position Dirac Live. It sounds a lot better than the 91 did. It left the bass too low for my tastes, but that was easy to remedy. Overall, would recommend, especially for this price.

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Quote from CaptBender :
Got in on this deal. Received it a week ago and got it all set up. I've spent very little time tuning it in. I played a couple movies with my old SC-91 and then this one. I did the basic 3 position Dirac Live. It sounds a lot better than the 91 did. It left the bass too low for my tastes, but that was easy to remedy. Overall, would recommend, especially for this price.
Thanks for the update!

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