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expirediconian | Staff posted Sep 20, 2024 10:09 PM
Onkyo TX-RZ50 9.2-Channel 8K/4K Network AV Receiver
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what you want tho is two subs that are using independent sub channels from the receiver, that can be corrected against each other with dirac live bass management or similar, to better alleviate room modes that create nulls, peaks, etc.
if you want the best results with this rz50 you'll have to do it the old-fashioned way, which costs extra $$ and is more difficult to do: https://www.andyc.diy-audio-engin...index.h
see those position1 position2 position3 before/after plots, it can make a huge difference, and no you can't do it that well by paying for dirac live bass management on this rz50, because the rz50 only has one sub signal output, not two independent sub channels.
the current state of entry to mid-level av receivers is dismal at best, if you are willing to spend a bit more look for the upcoming rz30, it has true dual sub outputs for $1200 msrp.
given recent history it will no doubt be feature-crippled in some manner, but :-/
Unless now the belief is DL offers some form of DLBC to two subs now.
BTW you don't have to buy Dirac and I argue Audyssey is just as capable imo.
they'll want to know the room measurements, among other things, what type of material you'll be listening to, speakers, etc.
what you want tho is two subs that are using independent sub channels from the receiver, that can be corrected against each other with dirac live bass management or similar, to better alleviate room modes that create nulls, peaks, etc.
if you want the best results with this rz50 you'll have to do it the old-fashioned way, which costs extra $$ and is more difficult to do: https://www.andyc.diy-audio-engin...index.h
see those position1 position2 position3 before/after plots, it can make a huge difference, and no you can't do it that well by paying for dirac live bass management on this rz50, because the rz50 only has one sub signal output, not two independent sub channels.
the current state of entry to mid-level av receivers is dismal at best, if you are willing to spend a bit more look for the upcoming rz30, it has true dual sub outputs for $1200 msrp.
given recent history it will no doubt be feature-crippled in some manner, but :-/
Here is their description of what DLBC offers and it's spot on!
As you can see all this "that can be corrected against each other" "to better alleviate room modes that create nulls, peaks, etc." is all under DLBC and not DL or DLBM!
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-c...alCLyUSfP8
so to your point, the only real argument is what can you gain by paying for dirac live bass management on a receiver that's crippled with only one sub output signal, that already has bass management using dirac live full bandwidth.
my guess is that dlbm is a waste of money on this rz50, but i'd like to be proven wrong with actual measured charts.
so to your point, the only real argument is what can you gain by paying for dirac live bass management on a receiver that's crippled with only one sub output signal, that already has bass management using dirac live full bandwidth.
my guess is that dlbm is a waste of money on this rz50, but i'd like to be proven wrong with actual measured charts.
"In my room, Dirac Live pulled 12db out of the room mode at 47Hz. Dirac Live can completely flatten it if desired, but I prefer a target curve with some bass in it."
https://fcracer.com/dirac-live-re...-everyone/
I'll believe the RZ50 can do DLBC when I see it. Lord knows they had 4 years to get it done!
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Dolbys suggested diagram is thee one to follow.
The more you can follow those placements and angles the better in my experience.
https://www.dolby.com/about/suppo...etup-guide
Dolbys suggested diagram is thee one to follow.
The more you can follow those placements and angles the better in my experience.
https://www.dolby.com/about/suppo...etup-guide
https://slickdeals.net/f/17770101-yamaha-aventage-rx-a2a-7-2-channel-av-receiver-379-free-shipping?v=1&sr
so to your point, the only real argument is what can you gain by paying for dirac live bass management on a receiver that's crippled with only one sub output signal, that already has bass management using dirac live full bandwidth.
my guess is that dlbm is a waste of money on this rz50, but i'd like to be proven wrong with actual measured charts.
Hmm let's see if someone "does it the old-fashioned way" and makes "adjustments" can they get a similar results/graph…. 🤔YES!
Oh let me clarify, Yes I can!
Does that result/graph prove that DL or "similar" is correcting subs against each other and to better alleviate room modes that create nulls, peaks, etc!…..🤔 NO!
Oh let me clarify Dirac says NO, that's all found in DLBC!!!
Hmmm maybe that might be a good reason to get DLBC!!! 🤔 🙄
I'll believe the RZ50 can do DLBC when I see it. Lord knows they had 4 years to get it done!
We at least now know it wasn't some bug or hardware issue as you claimed!
Lol it's some loss that they didn't do this 4 years ago!!!
This coming from someone who has had access but has stated DLBC is worth $0!!!!
Ol' osv1 believes some author over Dirac that DL includes some part of DLBC and infers that DLBC is just some marketing gimmick! 🤣
Oh the travesty!!! 😜
They are not as optimal in performance though in my experience.
In general terms independent sub outs helps with the integration/harmonizing between subwoofers and then between the rest of your speakers within the environment.
That is exactly what DLBC or Audyssey's directional is for!
Way easier and better than trying to do that manually in my experience!
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Unless now the belief is DL offers some form of DLBC to two subs now.
BTW you don't have to buy Dirac and I argue Audyssey is just as capable imo.
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