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expirediconian | Staff posted Jun 08, 2024 12:07 AM
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expirediconian | Staff posted Jun 08, 2024 12:07 AM
Onkyo TX-RZ50 9.2-Channel 8K/4K Network AV Receiver
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I made the right choice.
....for another fight with the wifey!
The manner in which they handled that problem turned me forever against Onkyo (and FYI, I gave them MANY chances at retaining me as a loyal customer).
They couldn't be bothered to do the right thing. So... they are 'permanently banned' in my house & amongst my small circle of close friends.
BTW, I hope OP doesn't take my comment as me crapping on this thread... I'm just stating my own personal experience/facts & also my associated opinions surrounding those facts.
I don't wish any grief upon Onkyo or their employees. I truly hope that Onkyo has since changed their company culture on how they treat their loyal customers, especially when their is a KNOWN systemic problem affecting MANY of their (often premium-priced) products.
And one last thing... notice I just described their products as 'premium priced'.
This 'prepaid premium' is what ultimately made my decision to basically 'forever ban them' a lot easier.
You often pay a premium for a product not only because of the real (or perceived) quality... but also for the steps the company takes to 'make things better', regardless of the cost (w/in reason, obviously).
Sorry for the long post. And... good luck with your Onkyo product! : )
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My Pioneer SC-LX701 started having handshaking issues after 5 years and made streaming shows/movies nearly unwatchable (all signs point to the HDMI board). I wanted to stick w/Pioneer/Onkyo but the ASR review for the RZ50 gave me pause and waiting for the RZ70 and its limited supply while my 701 was on the fritz was not an option. I settled on the Denon 3800 (my first Denon AVR) despite it being at least a tier below the 701. From my research of the 3800 and the 4800, both the paper specs and the bench testing done on ASR was all I needed to convince myself that the 4800's additional cost (MSRP to MSRP) was not worthwhile for MY situation. After purchasing the DL FB license, I experienced the greatest clarity of dialogue and overall sound balance of any room correction ever (including Audyssey and MCACC)!
The RZ50 has had a long, good run. Hopefully, Onkyo knows that it's successor (and the Pioneer and Integra equivalents) is going to be heavily scrutinized and many eyes will be on that ASR review when it comes!
I made the right choice.
120 W/Ch (8 ohms, 20 Hz–20 kHz, 0.08% THD, 2 channels driven, FTC)
https://onkyo.com/home-cinema/av-...rs/tx-rz50 [onkyo.com]
FWIW, the ASR review did confirm that this was not only achieved but the RZ50 exceeded the advertised power in the 2CH benchtest at 136 W/Ch!
For reference, my nearly 20 year old Rotel RSX-1067 gave an honest 100W/Ch across 7 channels! That thing was a beast for its day!
https://rotel.com/sites/default/f...eet_LR.pdf [rotel.com]
Using the THX Monoprice speakers in a full set so front, center, and rear surround are all 4ohm, only my heights (SVS Prime Elevation) are 8ohm.
https://www.monoprice.c
I run the AVR in 8ohm mode since all the 4/6 ohm mode does is artificual power restrictions and never had any issue.
Just started playing a game in my office on my PC with a 2.1 setup and now I am actually thinking about buying another one for my office just to run Atmos on my PC lol.
But I also hope to upgrade my living room theater to something like the HTP-1 once they support HDMI 2.1 and then I can hand me down the Onkyo to my PC.
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Using the THX Monoprice speakers in a full set so front, center, and rear surround are all 4ohm, only my heights (SVS Prime Elevation) are 8ohm.
https://www.monoprice.c
I run the AVR in 8ohm mode since all the 4/6 ohm mode does is artificual power restrictions and never had any issue.
Just started playing a game in my office on my PC with a 2.1 setup and now I am actually thinking about buying another one for my office just to run Atmos on my PC lol.
But I also hope to upgrade my living room theater to something like the HTP-1 once they support HDMI 2.1 and then I can hand me down the Onkyo to my PC.
You don't have any external amplification for ANY of your channels, right?
Using the THX Monoprice speakers in a full set so front, center, and rear surround are all 4ohm, only my heights (SVS Prime Elevation) are 8ohm.
https://www.monoprice.c
I run the AVR in 8ohm mode since all the 4/6 ohm mode does is artificual power restrictions and never had any issue.
Just started playing a game in my office on my PC with a 2.1 setup and now I am actually thinking about buying another one for my office just to run Atmos on my PC lol.
But I also hope to upgrade my living room theater to something like the HTP-1 once they support HDMI 2.1 and then I can hand me down the Onkyo to my PC.
Attached is the impedance curve for your THX-365T. Same story as before: the range above your crossover is easily well above 6 ohm nominal so the fact your RZ50 is comfortable is easily explained!
You don't have any external amplification for ANY of your channels, right?
I find this same pattern in most speakers, and really people should push for small speakers and multiple subs if they want an ideal setup with good bass managment. Pointless to have 12" full range mains and cross them to the subs, and if you dont cross them to the subs then you cant fully control the bass freqencies in the room with delay/eq as needed for proper response.
Rather than try to explain why I dont have a problem, just understand the point of me saying I dont have a problem. Meaning this is not a 100% (or vast majority) issue as it was being suggjested or hinted at.
Also range above C/O has LOTS in the lower impedance ranges, again really missleading trying to stage it as "there is nothing above crossover in the 4-6ohm range) when in reality its still nearly 30% of the chart.
I can do test tones all day long at a given frequency (and trust me I have to find what vibrates in my house) and no issues.
I find this same pattern in most speakers, and really people should push for small speakers and multiple subs if they want an ideal setup with good bass managment.
Rather than try to explain why I dont have a problem, just understand the point of me saying I dont have a problem. Meaning this is not a 100% (or vast majority) issue as it was being suggjested or hinted at.
Also, speaking from one engineer to another engineer, I do hope you understand the whole point of "nominal", right?
I am on AVS and on the thread for this product with a very active post count on the main thread for this product as I helped lead in some testing on it.
Been a member there for a really long time actually.
I am on AVS and on the thread for this product with a very active post count on the main thread for this product as I helped lead in some testing on it.
Been a member there for a really long time actually.
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I find this same pattern in most speakers, and really people should push for small speakers and multiple subs if they want an ideal setup with good bass managment. Pointless to have 12" full range mains and cross them to the subs, and if you dont cross them to the subs then you cant fully control the bass freqencies in the room with delay/eq as needed for proper response.
Rather than try to explain why I dont have a problem, just understand the point of me saying I dont have a problem. Meaning this is not a 100% (or vast majority) issue as it was being suggjested or hinted at.
Also range above C/O has LOTS in the lower impedance ranges, again really missleading trying to stage it as "there is nothing above crossover in the 4-6ohm range) when in reality its still nearly 30% of the chart.
I can do test tones all day long at a given frequency (and trust me I have to find what vibrates in my house) and no issues.
Managing the integration of bass within a setup is the main challenge for optimal performance.
Since every speaker produces bass and so much emphasis is placed on the lower frequency range of it, subwoofers are designed for that specifically.
What you left out was the quality of all these speakers, they play a significant role with all this also.
A better quality speaker produces better bass range.
Often a tower speaker will produce a lower bass range than it's "smaller" bookshelf counterpart.
The lower a bass frequency a speaker can produce, the better bass integration performance of the whole setup.
This applies to every speaker in the setup imo.
Asking the subwoofer to cover more of the higher bass frequency is not be ideal imo.
At the very least, towers gives you more flexibility with that integration.
As you can see, measurement results(good or bad) often don't translate audibly.
For me, some of the bigger deterrents to this AVR is being stuck with relying on the AVRs bass management & stuck with a mono signal for your subwoofer(s).
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