I know this isn't what you asked, but I would really encourage you to go the self build route. It really isn't hard. There are maybe a couple of "difficult" moments like setting the CPU or applying thermal late for the first time, but these sound much scarier than they really are. And there are great YouTube videos for everything now.
Just my opinion... but if you can afford to keep your workstation separate than your server that's definitely the route to go. The xeons probably have ecc memory as well, not sure how important that is these days but probably is if it's a used as a fileserver.
Idk... 5950x is also kind of overkill if you're not using the machine as a workstation. 5900x is probably more than enough. This is a good price though, I probably would have made the jump myself if I could have snagged it for this price instead of $850.
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I know this isn't what you asked, but I would really encourage you to go the self build route. It really isn't hard. There are maybe a couple of "difficult" moments like setting the CPU or applying thermal late for the first time, but these sound much scarier than they really are. And there are great YouTube videos for everything now.
What sites do you suggest to get a list of all the parts to use and the case? Or a good video that would list all the parts used. I don't want to sit around waiting for deals on parts, which is why I figure going prebuilt with a warranty may be easier.
Anyone have suggestions on a good prebuilt that comes with the 5950X? I have no experience building a computer myself so don't want to go that route. It would be for AI/ML - not gaming.
If you have a microcenter near you, you can have them assemble a custom rig for you if you buy hardware from them. They even keep a secret stock of GPUs they will only sell to people who opt to build a system. My brother just did this, they charge $150 for the service and they did a great job, even better than I could have done on the cable management front. Downside is you have to buy everything from them, but they will usually price match so it works out nicely.
What sites do you suggest to get a list of all the parts to use and the case? Or a good video that would list all the parts used. I don't want to sit around waiting for deals on parts, which is why I figure going prebuilt with a warranty may be easier.
https://pcpartpicker.com/ for part list and compatibility, they also have builds listed that others can see and use
What sites do you suggest to get a list of all the parts to use and the case? Or a good video that would list all the parts used. I don't want to sit around waiting for deals on parts, which is why I figure going prebuilt with a warranty may be easier.
I ordered a prebuilt , and then started upgrading it. Soon (very soon !) I had replaced pretty much everything except the graphics card. Looking back I realize I really could have just started with my one build. It wouldn't have been hard. And the although you will pay a little extra buying the graphics card separate , it is worth it to get better components than you will typically get in the prebuilt.
PCPartPicker let's you check everything you select for compatibility.
NewEgg also has a component shopping list function that is really good.
If you are really interested in AI and ML, a weird option for you might be to look at buying an older Dell Precision T7910 or T7920, or an HP z840. These workstations take dual Xeon chips and have capacity up to several TB of Ram. Amazingly you can buy a barebones system for under $400 on eBay. It's just a question of adding graphics cards, RAM or CPU upgrades from there. Just an idea / but PCPartPicker / NewEgg to build a system from scratch is really good.
Debating this or the TR 3960x for a home lab. Currently have a x570m pro4 motherboard with a 3800x with 32GB's ram. This MB will support a 5950x but think I might run out of PCI lines.
I also have Asus Z10PE-D8 WS running dual Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 and a 128 GB's DDR4.
Between these 2 systems, I have almost 48TB's of disk space.
Should I upgrade the CPU to a 5950x or combine both systems and go with the TR 3960x?
So far, I've got the Xeon's running Esxi. Esxi is running Blue Iris, Windows 10 VM, Server 2019 and CentOS 8 (just to play with it)
The 3800x is running as my plex system and network file shares.
Thoughts?
Edit to add: I would like to test gaming from ESXI just for testing. I would also like to use it for pen testing and other cyber security testing.... just a small list of my plans.
It depends on how much PCIe bandwidth would you need.
I know this isn't what you asked, but I would really encourage you to go the self build route. It really isn't hard. There are maybe a couple of "difficult" moments like setting the CPU or applying thermal late for the first time, but these sound much scarier than they really are. And there are great YouTube videos for everything now.
I'm also pro building a computer from scratch. To me it is easy and I enjoy it, but it is complicated for a newbie.
Buying the right parts / compatibility, static discharge, thermal paste, proper installation, bios settings (knowing to enable XMP, etc.), and more. The worst is when something goes wrong like a defective part. Diagnosing and warranty / exchange can be a hellish process.
Even asking questions on what part to buy can be stressful due to all the different responses. (Some favor a brand over others. What part is needed / good / bad, etc)
The cost of a pre-built might be worth it to avoid the hassle.
At this point unless youre on AM4 you should wait for Intels Alder Lake/12th gen launching in October. The 12900k is rumored (by a credible leaker) to beat the 5950x in single thread by a large margin and multithread in a modest margin, and has DDR5 and PCIE 5, etc. and is rumored to come in much cheaper https://videocardz.com/newz/intel...h-r20-test Even if you dont end up buying 12th gen, AMD will drop prices to stay competitive as Zen 4 wont launch until late 2022.
At this point unless youre on AM4 you should wait for Intels Alder Lake/12th gen launching in October. The 12900k is rumored (by a credible leaker) to beat the 5950x in single thread by a large margin and multithread in a modest margin, and has DDR5 and PCIE 5, etc. and is rumored to come in much cheaper https://videocardz.com/newz/intel...h-r20-test Even if you dont end up buying 12th gen, AMD will drop prices to stay competitive as Zen 4 wont launch until late 2022.
very good advice if you're in no rush to build.
now is not the time to build. stock is recovering, alder lake is coming out as well as ryzen 5000 refresh. x570-s board as well if you feel like upgrading your current motherboard.
Debating this or the TR 3960x for a home lab. Currently have a x570m pro4 motherboard with a 3800x with 32GB's ram. This MB will support a 5950x but think I might run out of PCI lines.
I also have Asus Z10PE-D8 WS running dual Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 and a 128 GB's DDR4.
Between these 2 systems, I have almost 48TB's of disk space.
Should I upgrade the CPU to a 5950x or combine both systems and go with the TR 3960x?
So far, I've got the Xeon's running Esxi. Esxi is running Blue Iris, Windows 10 VM, Server 2019 and CentOS 8 (just to play with it)
The 3800x is running as my plex system and network file shares.
Thoughts?
Edit to add: I would like to test gaming from ESXI just for testing. I would also like to use it for pen testing and other cyber security testing.... just a small list of my plans.
I got a ASUS WS Pro x570 for my setup since it can do 3x PCIe 8x slots if you have a 1x gpu for basic display only. There is an MSI variety of this setup too IIR
I just wanted to say that NewEgg has terrible customer service and instead of giving gamers a chance to buy GPUs and CPUs at MSRP they have become scalpers themselves. They could offer GPUs at MSRP and still do the shuffle. Instead they force us to buy overpriced bundles. Shortages are temporary, but I hope everyone remembers the stores who become scalpers themselves once the shortage ends.
While this is a good price, you know how it goes, the next generation is "right around the corner"
Except around this corner is DDR5 and 3D stacked CPUs.
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Idk... 5950x is also kind of overkill if you're not using the machine as a workstation. 5900x is probably more than enough. This is a good price though, I probably would have made the jump myself if I could have snagged it for this price instead of $850.
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What sites do you suggest to get a list of all the parts to use and the case? Or a good video that would list all the parts used. I don't want to sit around waiting for deals on parts, which is why I figure going prebuilt with a warranty may be easier.
If you have a microcenter near you, you can have them assemble a custom rig for you if you buy hardware from them. They even keep a secret stock of GPUs they will only sell to people who opt to build a system. My brother just did this, they charge $150 for the service and they did a great job, even better than I could have done on the cable management front. Downside is you have to buy everything from them, but they will usually price match so it works out nicely.
I ordered a prebuilt , and then started upgrading it. Soon (very soon !) I had replaced pretty much everything except the graphics card. Looking back I realize I really could have just started with my one build. It wouldn't have been hard. And the although you will pay a little extra buying the graphics card separate , it is worth it to get better components than you will typically get in the prebuilt.
PCPartPicker let's you check everything you select for compatibility.
NewEgg also has a component shopping list function that is really good.
If you are really interested in AI and ML, a weird option for you might be to look at buying an older Dell Precision T7910 or T7920, or an HP z840. These workstations take dual Xeon chips and have capacity up to several TB of Ram. Amazingly you can buy a barebones system for under $400 on eBay. It's just a question of adding graphics cards, RAM or CPU upgrades from there. Just an idea / but PCPartPicker / NewEgg to build a system from scratch is really good.
I also have Asus Z10PE-D8 WS running dual Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 and a 128 GB's DDR4.
Between these 2 systems, I have almost 48TB's of disk space.
Should I upgrade the CPU to a 5950x or combine both systems and go with the TR 3960x?
So far, I've got the Xeon's running Esxi. Esxi is running Blue Iris, Windows 10 VM, Server 2019 and CentOS 8 (just to play with it)
The 3800x is running as my plex system and network file shares.
Thoughts?
Edit to add: I would like to test gaming from ESXI just for testing. I would also like to use it for pen testing and other cyber security testing.... just a small list of my plans.
It depends on how much PCIe bandwidth would you need.
Buying the right parts / compatibility, static discharge, thermal paste, proper installation, bios settings (knowing to enable XMP, etc.), and more. The worst is when something goes wrong like a defective part. Diagnosing and warranty / exchange can be a hellish process.
Even asking questions on what part to buy can be stressful due to all the different responses. (Some favor a brand over others. What part is needed / good / bad, etc)
The cost of a pre-built might be worth it to avoid the hassle.
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now is not the time to build. stock is recovering, alder lake is coming out as well as ryzen 5000 refresh. x570-s board as well if you feel like upgrading your current motherboard.
I also have Asus Z10PE-D8 WS running dual Intel Xeon E5-2680 v3 and a 128 GB's DDR4.
Between these 2 systems, I have almost 48TB's of disk space.
Should I upgrade the CPU to a 5950x or combine both systems and go with the TR 3960x?
So far, I've got the Xeon's running Esxi. Esxi is running Blue Iris, Windows 10 VM, Server 2019 and CentOS 8 (just to play with it)
The 3800x is running as my plex system and network file shares.
Thoughts?
Edit to add: I would like to test gaming from ESXI just for testing. I would also like to use it for pen testing and other cyber security testing.... just a small list of my plans.
I got a ASUS WS Pro x570 for my setup since it can do 3x PCIe 8x slots if you have a 1x gpu for basic display only. There is an MSI variety of this setup too IIR
Except around this corner is DDR5 and 3D stacked CPUs.
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