I know this isn't what you asked, but I would really encourage you to go the self build route. It really isn't hard. There are maybe a couple of "difficult" moments like setting the CPU or applying thermal late for the first time, but these sound much scarier than they really are. And there are great YouTube videos for everything now.
Just my opinion... but if you can afford to keep your workstation separate than your server that's definitely the route to go. The xeons probably have ecc memory as well, not sure how important that is these days but probably is if it's a used as a fileserver.
Idk... 5950x is also kind of overkill if you're not using the machine as a workstation. 5900x is probably more than enough. This is a good price though, I probably would have made the jump myself if I could have snagged it for this price instead of $850.
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Anyone have suggestions on a good prebuilt that comes with the 5950X? I have no experience building a computer myself so don't want to go that route. It would be for AI/ML - not gaming.
Check out pcpartpicker.com. You can mix and match different parts and it will tell you what is compatible. You can build out an entire PC on there, and then just buy those parts wherever you find good deals. It's super easy to use. Several of my friends, who had zero experience with that stuff, built some pretty sweet computers thanks to that site.
At this point unless youre on AM4 you should wait for Intels Alder Lake/12th gen launching in October. The 12900k is rumored (by a credible leaker) to beat the 5950x in single thread by a large margin and multithread in a modest margin, and has DDR5 and PCIE 5, etc. and is rumored to come in much cheaper https://videocardz.com/newz/intel...h-r20-test Even if you dont end up buying 12th gen, AMD will drop prices to stay competitive as Zen 4 wont launch until late 2022.
But won't ddr5 be really expensive as will a new motherboard?
I know this isn't what you asked, but I would really encourage you to go the self build route. It really isn't hard. There are maybe a couple of "difficult" moments like setting the CPU or applying thermal late for the first time, but these sound much scarier than they really are. And there are great YouTube videos for everything now.
If you have a microcenter near you, you can have them assemble a custom rig for you if you buy hardware from them. They even keep a secret stock of GPUs they will only sell to people who opt to build a system. My brother just did this, they charge $150 for the service and they did a great job, even better than I could have done on the cable management front. Downside is you have to buy everything from them, but they will usually price match so it works out nicely.
But won't ddr5 be really expensive as will a new motherboard?
It will and then first DDR5 iteration won't be that amazing, remember when ddr4 first released. I am ordering the parts for my new system and won't be waiting for alderlake. The new Intel motherboards initially will be buggy and won't mature till a year later. But I agree with the comment of it making ryzen reduce its price is true, I'm sure amd will have to lower its prices.
At this point unless youre on AM4 you should wait for Intels Alder Lake/12th gen launching in October. The 12900k is rumored (by a credible leaker) to beat the 5950x in single thread by a large margin and multithread in a modest margin, and has DDR5 and PCIE 5, etc. and is rumored to come in much cheaper https://videocardz.com/newz/intel...h-r20-test Even if you dont end up buying 12th gen, AMD will drop prices to stay competitive as Zen 4 wont launch until late 2022.
This "wait to build" advice can be stated every year. Unless you need bleeding edge technology, which itself will be trumped after a year, just build whenever you want and don't look back. DDR 5 will be maybe 5 FPS extra. Most gamers don't even need 32gn ram,
This processor is a monster. It handles everything I throw at it with ease and stays below 75 degrees Celsius during demanding workloads. Even mining monero at 100% doesn't raise temps above 75 degrees. Highly recommend.
I know this isn't what you asked, but I would really encourage you to go the self build route. It really isn't hard. There are maybe a couple of "difficult" moments like setting the CPU or applying thermal late for the first time, but these sound much scarier than they really are. And there are great YouTube videos for everything now.
Those two were the most difficult for you, putting the CPU in and the thermal paste?! I'll admit it's the most scary since it's the most expensive parts, but was not difficult.
To me the most difficult part are the stuff that youtubers don't mention, such as putting the mobo in the case without touching the back side of it to the metal uprights, risking fking up your whole system/mobo lol. Also the amount of pressure it takes to put in the ram just to hear that "click" is scary too. It's like putting 80lb of pressure (Exaggerating just a bit) on an area that is less than a 1/4" with your thumb lol.
I ordered a prebuilt , and then started upgrading it. Soon (very soon !) I had replaced pretty much everything except the graphics card. Looking back I realize I really could have just started with my one build. It wouldn't have been hard. And the although you will pay a little extra buying the graphics card separate , it is worth it to get better components than you will typically get in the prebuilt.
PCPartPicker let's you check everything you select for compatibility.
NewEgg also has a component shopping list function that is really good.
If you are really interested in AI and ML, a weird option for you might be to look at buying an older Dell Precision T7910 or T7920, or an HP z840. These workstations take dual Xeon chips and have capacity up to several TB of Ram. Amazingly you can buy a barebones system for under $400 on eBay. It's just a question of adding graphics cards, RAM or CPU upgrades from there. Just an idea / but PCPartPicker / NewEgg to build a system from scratch is really good.
Not sure if you knew about this or not but there is a site that compiles old servers off eBay for you. https://labgopher.com/
But won't ddr5 be really expensive as will a new motherboard?
Yes, you will always be in a never-ending loop with computer part prices and releases.
New item releases, price is high --> wait for market to saturate, price drops --> rumor of new PC part to release (do you wait or buy the cheaper current gen?), last gen price drops more --> repeat
Some of these steps can take years. A good rule of thumb is to never buy the first gen of anything new. Ryzen 1000 series was released in 2017, Ryzen 3000 in 2019, Ryzen 5000 end of 2020. That was about 2.5 years from the first 1000 to the 3700X which was the first CPU I would have considered purchasing from this lineup. Find the price and performance you like and go for it.
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Idk... 5950x is also kind of overkill if you're not using the machine as a workstation. 5900x is probably more than enough. This is a good price though, I probably would have made the jump myself if I could have snagged it for this price instead of $850.
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Check out pcpartpicker.com. You can mix and match different parts and it will tell you what is compatible. You can build out an entire PC on there, and then just buy those parts wherever you find good deals. It's super easy to use. Several of my friends, who had zero experience with that stuff, built some pretty sweet computers thanks to that site.
I've seen new in box 5800X go for less than $330 on eBay.
But won't ddr5 be really expensive as will a new motherboard?
Wow!!!
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To me the most difficult part are the stuff that youtubers don't mention, such as putting the mobo in the case without touching the back side of it to the metal uprights, risking fking up your whole system/mobo lol. Also the amount of pressure it takes to put in the ram just to hear that "click" is scary too. It's like putting 80lb of pressure (Exaggerating just a bit) on an area that is less than a 1/4" with your thumb lol.
PCPartPicker let's you check everything you select for compatibility.
NewEgg also has a component shopping list function that is really good.
If you are really interested in AI and ML, a weird option for you might be to look at buying an older Dell Precision T7910 or T7920, or an HP z840. These workstations take dual Xeon chips and have capacity up to several TB of Ram. Amazingly you can buy a barebones system for under $400 on eBay. It's just a question of adding graphics cards, RAM or CPU upgrades from there. Just an idea / but PCPartPicker / NewEgg to build a system from scratch is really good.
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New item releases, price is high --> wait for market to saturate, price drops --> rumor of new PC part to release (do you wait or buy the cheaper current gen?), last gen price drops more --> repeat
Some of these steps can take years. A good rule of thumb is to never buy the first gen of anything new. Ryzen 1000 series was released in 2017, Ryzen 3000 in 2019, Ryzen 5000 end of 2020. That was about 2.5 years from the first 1000 to the 3700X which was the first CPU I would have considered purchasing from this lineup. Find the price and performance you like and go for it.