expiredcaptainguy posted Nov 17, 2023 06:06 AM
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expiredcaptainguy posted Nov 17, 2023 06:06 AM
18TB WD easystore USB 3.0 External Hard Drive
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You're not technically wrong but you're going by speeds that don't take into account the Random IO delays of multiple files. Yeah, if you only transfer one or a few large files then the performance should stay above approx 225MB/s but real life doesn't normally work that way. That's why drive testing tools let you adjust file size samples.
My only point was that you can and will see real-life performance much lower than 225MB/s once you introduce IO delays because you're moving a bunch of small files. If you only ever move large ones.... you'll be fine.
No one here is mad, that's also a weird thing to bring up when you started your post (that I replied to) by telling everyone to shut up.
Depending on what they're moving, this will not necessarily be the case but someone who doesn't know better may think their drive is not performing properly.
Depending on what they're moving, this will not necessarily be the case but someone who doesn't know better may think their drive is not performing properly.
However, everyone expects to receive what they paid for, and not a nothing less than!
Telling you all, point blank, these drives will do the deed @ 225 + per second, depending on the deed!
Simple truth mater of fact, I did not lie to any of you!
However, everyone expects to receive what they paid for, and not a nothing less than!
Telling you all, point blank, these drives will do the deed @ 225 + per second, depending on the deed!
Simple truth mater of fact, I did not lie to any of you!
Trying to resist grabbing an 18!
If your data does not currently exist in at least 3 locations, then it never existed at all.
Perhaps location 3 can be in my car; not sure if the SSDs are going to like being stored in -25F temperatures of Maine though. I really need to look into a cloud storage it seems; perhaps multiple free Google Drive accounts that have the backup split up between them; too much of cheap basterd to pay for it unfortunately...
As for SMART; It has proven useless for me over the years and it has never warned me of an impending drive failure. (Get a SMART synopsis of all drives connected when I boot; SMART status has always been HEALTHY)
However, perhaps I'm misusing and expecting too much from SMART; maybe its main purpose is to manually check via programs like CrystalDiskInfo to see if anything appears funky and replace the drive before it fails...
FWIW, I've never had a problem getting an RMA on WD shucked drives, but it's a good idea to keep the enclosure just in case. Plus they can be useful.
The max I can get on my externals is 190-200MB/s via USB 3. I must have gotten confused with the docking station [amazon.com] that I own which does support UASP and will give read speeds of 450MB/s to any drive that's attached.
I don't see why they can't make hard drive externals that support UASP though as the drives contained within them are SATA 600/SATA III 6Gbit/s - 600 MB/s. UASP [startech.com] support seems to be a rare or perhaps not available feature for hard drive externals I guess...
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They still charged me a few hours after getting that email though… not sure what to think.
Perhaps location 3 can be in my car; not sure if the SSDs are going to like being stored in -25F temperatures of Maine though. I really need to look into a cloud storage it seems; perhaps multiple free Google Drive accounts that have the backup split up between them; too much of cheap basterd to pay for it unfortunately...
As for SMART; It has proven useless for me over the years and it has never warned me of an impending drive failure. (Get a SMART synopsis of all drives connected when I boot; SMART status has always been HEALTHY)
However, perhaps I'm misusing and expecting too much from SMART; maybe its main purpose is to manually check via programs like CrystalDiskInfo to see if anything appears funky and replace the drive before it fails...
Ugh, seems like you are right about UASP and external USB hard drives; none of them that I own have it. (Checked via CrystalDiskInfo [crystalmark.info] and tested speeds with CrystalDiskMark [crystalmark.info]).
The max I can get on my externals is 190-200MB/s via USB 3. I must have gotten confused with the docking station [amazon.com] that I own which does support UASP and will give read speeds of 450MB/s to any drive that's attached.
I don't see why they can't make hard drive externals that support UASP though as the drives contained within them are SATA 600/SATA III 6Gbit/s - 600 MB/s. UASP [startech.com] support seems to be a rare or perhaps not available feature for hard drive externals I guess...
You're not going to be hitting anywhere close to 450 MB/s. With an SSD sure, definitely not with these spinners.
If you had two (or more) using striping sure you may start closing in on that 450 MB/s which is why you can purchase multi bay JBOD enclosures with UASP (picked a couple up recently for testing).
IMO, no need for UASP for these easystore drives.
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You're not going to be hitting anywhere close to 450 MB/s. With an SSD sure, definitely not with these spinners.
If you had two (or more) using striping sure you may start closing in on that 450 MB/s which is why you can purchase multi bay JBOD enclosures with UASP (picked a couple up recently for testing).
No need for UASP for these easystore drives.
SSDs would benefit from UASP though hence why I get 450MB/s via my docking station for them. I made an incorrect assumption/inference that all drives would benefit from UASP. I was ignorant of the fact that tradition spinning drives only support around 180MB/s read speed; and I should consider myself lucky to get that from my externals. Thanks for enlightening me; it's appreciated.
"[NervousHalibut2346], we canceled your delayed item(s).
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For details regarding refunds and credits, please see the What You Need to Know section below.
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They still charged me a few hours after getting that email though… not sure what to think.
That's why you should keep all your important data on a relatively small hard drive and have it automatically backed up regularly via programs like Macrium Reflect [macrium.com]. (Seems to be no longer free but you can get an older version that is. I know I'm blocking my trusty free version in Windows firewall just to make sure it remains free; hopefully this will work).
IMO backing up easily obtained video media is wasteful and foolish. Think of it this way, by the time your hard drive fails that contains all your easily found video crap; encoding methods, quality and files sizes will be dramatically improved and you will probably want to procure replacements anyways. Please don't waste good money backing up insipid crap like My Mother The Car [youtube.com]; think of the poor cheap basterds
Also HDD dont just die instantly. My Seagate limped along long enough for me to get the 5TB of movies of it in time.
Yeah sure a movie will always be easily available to find online but it willl most certaintly be quality so hidious as to be unwatchable.
Case in point the number one public torrent tracker site by a mile is YTS.mx. The average movie size is a little under 1GB in 720p and thats for brand new movies like Oppenhimer where the 4k REMUX is 82GB.
It's all good though I usually go on a movie watching binge and get rid of up to 10 moves a day, watching a few and reralizing the others are pure crap.
SSDs would benefit from UASP though hence why I get 450MB/s via my docking station for them. I made an incorrect assumption/inference that all drives would benefit from UASP. I was ignorant of the fact that tradition spinning drives only support around 180MB/s read speed; and I should consider myself lucky to get that from my externals. Thanks for enlightening me; it's appreciated.
2.5" SATA enclosures or ones that can contain multiple drives in RAID 0 or something are obviously better targets for UASP support since speeds may actually reach that high with RAID or a SATA SSD.
A single HDD is going to have a hard time delivering anything approaching 300MB/s so it's just not a big deal.
Also HDD dont just die instantly. My Seagate limped along long enough for me to get the 5TB of movies of it in time.
Yeah sure a movie will always be easily available to find online but it willl most certaintly be quality so hidious as to be unwatchable.
Case in point the number one public torrent tracker site by a mile is YTS.mx. The average movie size is a little under 1GB in 720p and thats for brand new movies like Oppenhimer where the 4k REMUX is 82GB.
It's all good though I usually go on a movie watching binge and get rid of up to 10 moves a day, watching a few and reralizing the others are pure crap.
In a more general sense, I've had drives give lots of warning and some give none before dying. Assume they will all die and have backups for anything you care about. In the grand scheme of things, storage is cheap. I'd rather have backups than try to replace everything, even if it is technically replaceable. My time is not without value.
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Some people were saying their orders were canceled afterwards though, so that's a consideration as well.
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