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You do you bro. No need to come in the thread and explain yourself. Nobody buys a mac for gaming.

Productivity is very subjective. Old school .exes, you're better off with Windows, but if you're not living in the 90s, most things run in a browser these days.
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paulyshoreSep 04, 2022 02:23 AM
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Quote from dclive :
Then you don't want a Mac.



What's the name of this poker software, just out of curiosity?

It sounds like you're guessing - I see disk, CPU, graphics card - all kinds of possibilites. It might be wise, rather than purchasing anything, to instead try to figure out where the speed / lag holdup / issue is coming from. You could update your drivers, confirm you've got the latest everything, then you could open up Task Manager and Resource Manager and look at what's burning cycles / what's happening when the lag takes place. It's quite possible there's a problem on your machine and you could identify it and fix the situation for free.

That said, that's a slow laptop, and it's not getting any faster.

If you have power outages, buy a UPS. They're $100 - $200 and will fully address the issue, at least for 30 minutes or so. If you have a power outage one wonders how you'd get online, anyway...
The poker client I play on is called pokerstars. It's the non us version of it as I play on it while I'm outside the US. I'm in the US now so looking to get a new laptop. I also use this program called Holdem Manager 3 which is like a pokertracker so to speak. This program definitely requires a fast computer etc. I been using it for a while. I was told when they saw the freezing/lagging I had, they said something was taking up a lot of the cpu where my cpu was using 100% and they couldn't figure it out what it was. The thing is that poker site, they changed the software where I believe you need a modern graphics card for it. Because when I play, that programs uses gpu 1 which would be the nvidia geforce gtx 960m... does that make sense?


My laptop should be currently up to date. I am sure my graphics card drivers are updated. Also any windows updates that are required, I do it. There are some windows updates opitional that I didn't install because I heard those are not necessary...correct?


Basically when playing, the gpu with pokerstars does go up a bit. But desktop windows manager is very high as well etc. I even clean reinstall it a while back. But then when starting to play, it still has these issues. I am close to positive this is the poker software because many other players have complained about that new software they implemented. Because back then on the same laptop with only 8gb ram, I rarely had issues and other players as well. Now other players complain about the exact issue with the software. So I figure a new laptop might solve this issue. However, I did hear some players who have modern fast computers also complain they still have this issue though.


Is my laptop with these specs really considered slow? Yes I know this laptop is old but it isn't that old right? Also it has 32gb ram. I mean its still a quad core laptop. But is it that much slower than laptops now?


I actually bought a UPS a while back. It went bad with the battery. I mean imagine playing online and then a power outage happens. But you have to continue playing to finish your session. This could mean you having to play for at least another 6+ hours or more. You can't just stop and quit because you have a power outage because the format that I play, it's tournaments... does that make sense?


But is my current xps 15 9550 really considered slow? Because if I don't play poker on it, its more than fast enough for everything else. I don't do anything else on my laptop beside web browse and youtube. I don't play any games etc.
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Quote from paulyshore :
The poker client I play on is called pokerstars. It's the non us version of it as I play on it while I'm outside the US.
Mystery solved - I downloaded the program and can report it's a MacOS Universal (M1/M2 and Intel) binary. No matter what Mac you've got, it'll run at full speed. https://www.pokerstars.bet/help/a...-all-mstr/ shows the requirements.

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I'm in the US now so looking to get a new laptop. I also use this program called Holdem Manager 3 which is like a pokertracker so to speak. This program definitely requires a fast computer etc. I been using it for a while. I was told when they saw the freezing/lagging I had, they said something was taking up a lot of the cpu where my cpu was using 100% and they couldn't figure it out what it was. The thing is that poker site, they changed the software where I believe you need a modern graphics card for it. Because when I play, that programs uses gpu 1 which would be the nvidia geforce gtx 960m... does that make sense?
It makes sense, I just question if it's correct. You don't need to guess what's using CPU - just look in Task Manager and you'll know for certain in seconds.... In modern versions of Windows 10 it will tell you similar data for your GPU as well.

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My laptop should be currently up to date. I am sure my graphics card drivers are updated. Also any windows updates that are required, I do it. There are some windows updates opitional that I didn't install because I heard those are not necessary...correct?
I'd agree optional means optional.

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Basically when playing, the gpu with pokerstars does go up a bit. But desktop windows manager is very high as well etc. I even clean reinstall it a while back. But then when starting to play, it still has these issues. I am close to positive this is the poker software because many other players have complained about that new software they implemented. Because back then on the same laptop with only 8gb ram, I rarely had issues and other players as well. Now other players complain about the exact issue with the software. So I figure a new laptop might solve this issue. However, I did hear some players who have modern fast computers also complain they still have this issue though.
So you see high GPU usage. But what's the holdup? Is there high CPU utilization in task manager for that application?

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Is my laptop with these specs really considered slow? Yes I know this laptop is old but it isn't that old right? Also it has 32gb ram. I mean its still a quad core laptop. But is it that much slower than laptops now?
The simplest way to look is to google your CPU (i5-6300HQ) and find out the passmark score and compare that to the other CPUs available. Yours gets around 4700 passmark; I can get about 2700 passmark in the $126 Lenovo snail that I'm playing with now. A basic $600 Intel i5-1235u gets around 13,000 passmark. Just google (CPU name + passmark) and use that for a comparison. It's as good as any.

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I actually bought a UPS a while back. It went bad with the battery. I mean imagine playing online and then a power outage happens. But you have to continue playing to finish your session. This could mean you having to play for at least another 6+ hours or more. You can't just stop and quit because you have a power outage because the format that I play, it's tournaments... does that make sense?
Sounds like an issue, then. Again, even if the laptop has power, what about your internet connection?

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But is my current xps 15 9550 really considered slow? Because if I don't play poker on it, its more than fast enough for everything else. I don't do anything else on my laptop beside web browse and youtube. I don't play any games etc.
It's a snail compared to a modern low-end Intel laptop, and it's perhaps 1/8 the speed of a modern Intel desktop (at the high end). That said, all that really matters is that you're happy with it.
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Mystery solved - I downloaded the program and can report it's a MacOS Universal (M1/M2 and Intel) binary. No matter what Mac you've got, it'll run at full speed. https://www.pokerstars.bet/help/a...-all-mstr/ [pokerstars.bet] shows the requirements.



It makes sense, I just question if it's correct. You don't need to guess what's using CPU - just look in Task Manager and you'll know for certain in seconds.... In modern versions of Windows 10 it will tell you similar data for your GPU as well.



I'd agree optional means optional.



So you see high GPU usage. But what's the holdup? Is there high CPU utilization in task manager for that application?



The simplest way to look is to google your CPU (i5-6300HQ) and find out the passmark score and compare that to the other CPUs available. Yours gets around 4700 passmark; I can get about 2700 passmark in the $126 Lenovo snail that I'm playing with now. A basic $600 Intel i5-1235u gets around 13,000 passmark. Just google (CPU name + passmark) and use that for a comparison. It's as good as any.



Sounds like an issue, then. Again, even if the laptop has power, what about your internet connection?



It's a snail compared to a modern low-end Intel laptop, and it's perhaps 1/8 the speed of a modern Intel desktop (at the high end). That said, all that really matters is that you're happy with it.
Thanks for the response. Okay so pokerstars can run on a mac, is that what you mean? However, windows doesn't run Holdem Manager 3 right? That is another software that I use to play on this site and I am close to positive it is not compatible with mac and you need windows. I also use another program as well that I am pretty certain windows is required so mac will not work. Thus this is why I have to use windows no matter what.


When I am playing on pokerstars and the lag/freezing occurs, I do check task manager to see what is using up the cpu. For some reason, it rarely ever goes to 100% ever. It usually goes up to 70% at the highest and then goes back down. When I play, I don't even have much chrome tabs opened or youtube. I play on that site and run Holdem Manager 3 and another software. Holdem Manager 3 might use 25% cpu and pokerstars might use 30% cpu and it does go higher but rarely do they combine over 70% total with all the other programs. That other software I use rarely use more than a few percentage cpu. I never saw what exactly takes up that much cpu percentage because I never seen it go that high when the lagging/freezing occurs. I always have the task manager tab opened on one of my laptop monitor screen... while I'm playing on the other external monitors.



However... when you talk about GPU... for example when I play on another poker site called 888poker and use Holdem Manager 3, I notice my gpu with 888poker would go up to 50% and higher. The Desktop Manager Windows would be similar and many times the total gpu would hit 100%. When I play on pokerstars, the total between it and Desktop Manager Windows would hit at most 70% usually. So would you say this ia a huge concern then because my graphics card is very old? What about the cpu? The GPU is always high when playing on 888poker and it showing with desktop windows manager. It is a lot less gpu % on pokerstars and desktop windows manager.



When there is a power outage, as far as my internet connection that goes off as well. I then use my phone's hot spot data to play until the power/internet gets back. I am more concerned with the battery backup for laptop because i could get several hours on my phone with the hot spot data. Then if battery on phone is low, i got a small powerbank for it to charge it again. Does that make sense?



The thing is if I didn't have these lag/freezing issues while playing on these poker sites, I would not consider buying a new laptop. I actually upgraded the parts... the battery, ssd and the ram a while back when wondering if i should get a new laptop or upgrade parts and i upgraded the parts etc. So if those poker sites didn't change their software, then right now my computer would be more than fast enough to play on it and I wouldn't even consider a new laptop.


But based on all this information, you recommend a new laptop right because mine is considered ancient? But based on all this information, do not buy a mac right because I have to use windows? I was considering the current dell xps 15 9510/9520 now or like a lenovo legion or lenovo slilm 7 etc. Then when i saw this macbook, i thought hey the processor should be very fast, the graphics card i assume is pretty decent i assume and the long battery would be very good... and then i thought if i install windows on it, that would also work.
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Thanks for the response. Okay so pokerstars can run on a mac, is that what you mean? However, windows doesn't run Holdem Manager 3 right? That is another software that I use to play on this site and I am close to positive it is not compatible with mac and you need windows. I also use another program as well that I am pretty certain windows is required so mac will not work. Thus this is why I have to use windows no matter what.


When I am playing on pokerstars and the lag/freezing occurs, I do check task manager to see what is using up the cpu. For some reason, it rarely ever goes to 100% ever. It usually goes up to 70% at the highest and then goes back down. When I play, I don't even have much chrome tabs opened or youtube. I play on that site and run Holdem Manager 3 and another software. Holdem Manager 3 might use 25% cpu and pokerstars might use 30% cpu and it does go higher but rarely do they combine over 70% total with all the other programs. That other software I use rarely use more than a few percentage cpu. I just never saw what exactly takes up that much cpu. However... when you talk about GPU... for example when I play on another poker site called 888poker and use Holdem Manager 3, I notice my gpu with 8888poker would go up to 50% and higher. The Desktop Manager Windows would be similar and many times the total gpu would hit 100%. When I play on pokerstars, the total between it and Desktop Manager Windows would hit at most 70% usually. So would you say this ia a huge concern then because my graphics card is very old? What about the cpu? The GPU is always either pokerstars and desktop manager windows or when i play on 8888poker, its that and desktop manager windows.


Oh wow so my laptop is considered slow today then?


When there is a power outage, as far as my internet connection that goes off as well. I then use my phone's hot spot data to play until the power/internet gets back. I am more concerned with the battery backup for laptop because i could get several hours on my phone with the hot spot data. Then if battery on phone is low, i got a small powerbank for it to charge it again. Does that make sense?


The thing is if I didn't have these lag/freezing issues while playing on these poker sites, I would not consider buying a new laptop. I actually upgraded the parts... the battery, ssd and the ram a while back when wondering if i should get a new laptop or upgrade parts and i upgraded the parts etc. So if those poker sites didn't change their software, then right now my computer would be more than fast enough to play on it and I wouldn't even consider a new laptop.


But based on all this information, you recommend a new laptop right because mine is considered ancient? But based on all this information, do not buy a mac right because I have to use windows? I was considering the current dell xps 15 9510/9520 now or like a lenovo legion or lenovo slilm 7 etc. Then when i saw this macbook, i thought hey the processor should be very fast, the graphics card i assume is pretty decent i assume and the long battery would be very good... and then i thought if i install windows on it, that would also work.
Yep; won't work. So if you have apps that need Windows, you should buy a Windows PC. I would get the fastest desktop you can afford, based on what you've told me, for CPU. For GPU, i'd use the nVidia control panel to force all of those apps to use the nVidia card, test again, and if they are using the nVidia card and still use that much GPU, I'd likely invest in a basic GPU for the desktop as well - say, a 3050 or 3050Ti card, or a Radon 6600.

At this point, I don't think the Mac is for you, and we should get back to our regularly scheduled programming. Smilie
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The poker client I play on is called pokerstars. It's the non us version of it as I play on it while I'm outside the US. I'm in the US now so looking to get a new laptop. I also use this program called Holdem Manager 3 which is like a pokertracker so to speak. This program definitely requires a fast computer etc. I been using it for a while. I was told when they saw the freezing/lagging I had, they said something was taking up a lot of the cpu where my cpu was using 100% and they couldn't figure it out what it was. The thing is that poker site, they changed the software where I believe you need a modern graphics card for it. Because when I play, that programs uses gpu 1 which would be the nvidia geforce gtx 960m... does that make sense?


My laptop should be currently up to date. I am sure my graphics card drivers are updated. Also any windows updates that are required, I do it. There are some windows updates opitional that I didn't install because I heard those are not necessary...correct?


Basically when playing, the gpu with pokerstars does go up a bit. But desktop windows manager is very high as well etc. I even clean reinstall it a while back. But then when starting to play, it still has these issues. I am close to positive this is the poker software because many other players have complained about that new software they implemented. Because back then on the same laptop with only 8gb ram, I rarely had issues and other players as well. Now other players complain about the exact issue with the software. So I figure a new laptop might solve this issue. However, I did hear some players who have modern fast computers also complain they still have this issue though.


Is my laptop with these specs really considered slow? Yes I know this laptop is old but it isn't that old right? Also it has 32gb ram. I mean its still a quad core laptop. But is it that much slower than laptops now?


I actually bought a UPS a while back. It went bad with the battery. I mean imagine playing online and then a power outage happens. But you have to continue playing to finish your session. This could mean you having to play for at least another 6+ hours or more. You can't just stop and quit because you have a power outage because the format that I play, it's tournaments... does that make sense?


But is my current xps 15 9550 really considered slow? Because if I don't play poker on it, its more than fast enough for everything else. I don't do anything else on my laptop beside web browse and youtube. I don't play any games etc.
Are games still good since they banned online poker in the US? Been a looong time since I was on Stars, Party or UB.
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Quote from paulyshore :
I was considering this laptop because of the low battery. I wanted a laptop so I could play online poker on it. I use it connected with external monitors but also want a laptop with long battery in case I play only with it. I know it doesn't use intense graphics like people who game but i know it would use graphics card?


Well if someone downloads ton of songs and have programs that use up lot of database, 512gb wouldn't be a lot if you use it for a long time. That is what I meant. I diidn't mean like right after getting it. Also I heard people who play games on the computer, don't those games use up at least 100gb or so? So wouldn't that use up lot of the ssd? So I thought that is a lot for a laptop where you can't just upgrade the storage.


But the long battery is what seem to be good about this. But I have to use windows though as the programs I download and play on will be on that. So don't go with any mac then right? Again I heard back then you could download bootcamp into windows computer.
Try Parallels to run in. Wi does Virtual Machine. See if the games you want to run will work. Maybe google it and see if others had success.
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using the tool you recommended, it appears to be 5 hours which is good and doesn't indicate it to be an actual demo

however, it shows 130 power cycle count. is this a normal figure?
Seems to be normal, take the 5 hours measurement with a grain of salt, I think it isn't that accurate for SSD.

You can also check your SN on Apple and see when the warranty was triggered, if it is demo them it should be way back (think 3-5 months), if it is a return it should be within a few days to a month or two.

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Yep; won't work. So if you have apps that need Windows, you should buy a Windows PC. I would get the fastest desktop you can afford, based on what you've told me, for CPU. For GPU, i'd use the nVidia control panel to force all of those apps to use the nVidia card, test again, and if they are using the nVidia card and still use that much GPU, I'd likely invest in a basic GPU for the desktop as well - say, a 3050 or 3050Ti card, or a Radon 6600.

At this point, I don't think the Mac is for you, and we should get back to our regularly scheduled programming.
That is what I thought, to avoid a mac. But because of the lower price and because I heard how good the battery in macs were, that is why i asked this. I cannot get a desktop because I use it for travel. So I have to stick with a laptop. So I do not know if i should just get a dell xps which seem to cost a lot the current one or say go with a lenovo legion or lenovo 7 slim or something like an lg gram etc. Because I am not positive if I need at least a 3050. But you would say paying over 2k+ for a dell xps with 3050 would be overpaying?
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Almost everyone plays on windows. Very few people play on a mac. But I was thinking a mac because of the long battery and because I heard a while back you could run windows on it. But I always heard back then doing that is foolish.
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Quote from paulyshore :
That is what I thought, to avoid a mac. But because of the lower price and because I heard how good the battery in macs were, that is why i asked this. I cannot get a desktop because I use it for travel. So I have to stick with a laptop. So I do not know if i should just get a dell xps which seem to cost a lot the current one or say go with a lenovo legion or lenovo 7 slim or something like an lg gram etc. Because I am not positive if I need at least a 3050. But you would say paying over 2k+ for a dell xps with 3050 would be overpaying?
That's insane. You've seen lots of deals on here with far better than 3050 GPUs for $1000 and less. Why in the world would you buy an XPS for $2000?
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Almost everyone plays on windows. Very few people play on a mac. But I was thinking a mac because of the long battery and because I heard a while back you could run windows on it. But I always heard back then doing that is foolish.
No, that's not right either. When Macs used Intel CPUs, running Intel-based Windows apps was a non-issue. It was fast, easy to do, and worked very well.

Now that Apple moved to ARM, it's no longer as simple. And as I think you don't have a lot of technical interest, I think googling your app and Parallels or Wine and then testing it in those apps is not something you'd be comfortable with, so I think you're best off running the app on normal Windows.
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That's insane. You've seen lots of deals on here with far better than 3050 GPUs for $1000 and less. Why in the world would you buy an XPS for $2000?
Because i still like my current old xps 9550 and just like how it is and kind of want to avoid other brands. Yes i know that sounds stupid. Again i had this laptop for years... if i didn't have these lag issues, wouldn't even consider a new laptop yet.


What nongaming laptop would you recommend if i don't need a gaming graphic card laptop?
LG gram? Again, i am not sure if i need good graphic card.
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Also for some reason i only looked at the dell xps series and not the inspiron or g series. Would those be more than good enough as well?
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Also for some reason i only looked at the dell xps series and not the inspiron or g series. Would those be more than good enough as well?
Did you perform the test I gave you with the nVidia card to see how that impacted performance?

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Made those programs use the nvidia geforce gtx but same issue. Also those programs automatically use the nvidia as oppose to the intel hd graphics.

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